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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #435 on: October 21, 2011, 02:31:59 PM »
Joe,
  Will do.  I've been looking for a Westerbeke service manual for the 1970's era engines.  Do you know the Model Number of the 25 HP and 30 HP Westerbekes?
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« Reply #436 on: October 22, 2011, 05:08:19 AM »
Westerbeke - 4 cyl. 25 hp with a Heat Exchanger unit . Model - four 91 , Spec. AS7-71CR

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« Reply #437 on: October 23, 2011, 01:28:25 PM »
Joe,
   Thanks for the engine info.  Looks like the Westerbeke 4-107 has the same footprint as the 4-91.  Do you know if the Westerbeke generator motors are the same as the marine engines except for the transmissions?
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« Reply #438 on: October 23, 2011, 01:44:33 PM »
No, most of them have been "marinized " from another engine!

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« Reply #439 on: October 23, 2011, 03:57:38 PM »
My Westerbeke 30 hp in my 1974 Pilot. Turns out this is a British Leyland engine, the same one in the London taxicabs (I'm told)! Westerbeke marinized it, as they do with most of the engines they sell.
A recent discussion with one of the engineers at Westerbeke revealed that the original W-30 engine was designed to have a full throttle RPM of 2350 and that the reduction for best 'power' efficiency is at 2115 RPM.
I admit that even as experienced as I may be in my theory, I am guilty of rarely running my own Westerbeke at more than about 2000  RPM for what 'Sounds' and 'Feels' to be its comfort zone when powering upwind in a bit of a sea. Generally, if just wandering towards the next waypoint, the tachometer rarely sees more than about 1800 RPM and my Pilot clocks out a steady 5.9 knots, consuming about .5 gallons per hour. Fuel efficiency certainly suffers measurably for the sake of another quarter of a knot.
The Westerbeke 30 diesel in my boat spends far more time at 12 - 1500 RPM charging batteries that it does pushing the presumed 2200 pound (dry), cat displacement hull at 85% of the theoretical hull speed (of 6.8 knots).
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« Reply #440 on: October 23, 2011, 04:44:56 PM »
By design, the diesel engine thrives on a higher effort factor than the gasoline engine. This design element is most often determined by its predetermined load at a predicted RPM range. The diesel seems, by most experts, 'happiest' when it is carrying its expected load at 85-90% of its maximum RPM.

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« Reply #441 on: October 28, 2011, 02:22:54 PM »
Joe,
  In answer to a couple of your questions:

The Harbor Pilot I just bought won't get to me in South Carolina for another week or two.  But the paperwork I've received shows the hull number as TSPH05000774 and the boat was registered as a 1976.  Should it have been a '74?

The motor is listed as a 25 hp Westerbeke diesel, 4-91, AS7-71CR, serial number 260B509, fresh water cooled.  I don't know how many hours it has on it.

Full tank is supposedly aluminum -  18 gallon mounted amidship on the starboard side.

I sure am anxious for it to arrive.  I don't know how much I'll be able to work on it over the winter (I have two other none boat projects underway).  But I want to go over it thoroughly and begin a a "Must Do" list and an "eventually" one.  My prime goal is getting it in the water come spring even if it might look a little shoddy.  As much as I've wanted one of these boats, "pretty" can wait :)

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« Reply #442 on: October 28, 2011, 11:06:20 PM »
Quote - But the paperwork I've received shows the hull number as TSPH05000774 and the boat was registered as a 1976.  Should it have been a '74?

Jack - your Pilot is hull # 50 ,built in July and its a 1974 - not a 1976 ..... because of two reason - one being the VIN# and the other is it has a Cat Rudder..... 


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« Reply #443 on: October 29, 2011, 03:24:49 PM »
Thanks Joe.  I thought the hull ID indicated it was a 1974.

By the way, how many Harbor Pilots were built over the years?

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« Reply #444 on: October 29, 2011, 08:03:24 PM »
Quote..  By the way, how many Harbor Pilots were built over the years?

Unknown at the present time , but i believe there could be 115 hulls in the Herreshoff Pilot Production Edtion , which includes the Harbor Pilot, Harbor Fisherman and Harbor Launch series ........

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« Reply #445 on: October 30, 2011, 09:21:47 PM »
Herreshoff Pilot Series was from 1974 to 1985 .....

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« Reply #446 on: November 01, 2011, 02:52:14 AM »
 Nowak & Williams (1974) ,SQUADRON YACHTS,INC (1974 thru ? ) both companies located in Bristol, Rhode Island and Nauset Marine,(1985)Located in Hyannis MA

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« Reply #447 on: November 02, 2011, 01:01:09 PM »
Sky King .....update
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Jack - Did they every sell your herreshoff harbor pilot , do you know
its location ?   Any Updates ?

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« Reply #448 on: November 02, 2011, 01:04:03 PM »
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I dontated the boat to MMA. I believe their auction is this month. I had one inquiry about the boat, gave the info and he said he planned ot bid on it.
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« Reply #449 on: November 03, 2011, 11:32:31 PM »
North Cove Yacht Club History - ncycnews@gmail.com

North Cove Yacht Club (41 17' 4" N, 72 22' 0" W) is located in North Cove at the mouth of the Connecticut River in the town of Old Saybrook.

The club was created in 1968 by a small group of yachtsmen whose hailing port and homes were in Old Saybrook.

Over the last several years the Club has acquired a fleet of boats for members’ use.  At present the fleet is comprised of a launch, three utility Boston Whalers, two rowing dinghies, ten sailing dinghies, three 420s and four Hunter 90s.

In 2001 the Club sold the existing launch and replaced it with a Herreshoff Pilot 18 ft. launch.