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Jon Brooks

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2011, 11:29:07 PM »
I wonder what folks will think of our "record keeping" someday.  Ever look up a boat for sale on-line?  You've got "Bullseye", H-12, H-12 1/2, 12 1/2, Doughdish, Foxeye, "12", and now... H12.5!

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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2011, 12:43:50 PM »
Adam:  Nice catch, but I am still not convinced.  If you look at the record, both LWL and Beam are crossed out.  But I don't think the "old" LWL" was written as 12-6, but looks more like 3-11.  The 3 is sort of undecipherable, and maybe could be an 8?  But you can see a 1 right after the foot mark.  But to me, it soesn't look like a 12-6.  Also, I think the "old beam" was written as 3-3.  This would suggest that the figures were originally entered erroneously for some other boat, and the shop clerk corrected it.

Look at the attached image ... I added a little contrast and removed the horizontal correction marks with Photoshop.  Whaddya think?


 

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2011, 07:01:37 PM »
Steve - I'd have to agree with you.... Ask Amy, I'd like to understand her reasoning - maybe they know something we don't?

Jon - you forgot the "real" 12 class name....

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2011, 09:17:25 PM »
Oh yeah!  "Buzzard's Bay Boy's Boat"!

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2011, 08:38:49 PM »
Amy says that ROBIN is 15' 6" LOA and 12' 3" LWL.  She doesn't recall where she heard it from, though she confirmed it in the builder's record as reproduced in the MIT record.  To me, the record is unclear and this still remains something of a mystery.

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2011, 09:08:10 PM »
Where does the "lost in florida" come from? I see it repeated by others as well...

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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2011, 10:12:10 PM »
You see it stated by others as well?  Do you mind telling a little more ... like who, and where?

I heard it from a gentleman named Mike Pesare.  Mike used to work at the museum.  He owned a 12 and did a significant amount of research while he was there.  He long ago found different interests, but shared his research notes with me, including the notation that Robin's whereabouts are unknown, with a rumor that she was lost in Florida.

In my recent correspondence with Amy, she said that she did not know of ROBIN's whereabouts (or fate), but has heard rumors that she sunk in an unknown (to her) location.

The last known owner was a gentleman from Marion named Newell Eames.  He sold the boat in 1965 to someone from Cataumet (information I obtained from a phone conversation with Newell's son).  Interesting that Newell had a home in Florida.  I had wondered if he may have been the one to lose her in Florida, but his son assured me that was not the case.  Eames had renamed her LITTLE DIPPER.  The son was going to go through some old boxes of files looking for photos he knew were there.  Nothing ever came of that, though.

I asked Amy if she knows of ROBIN and/or LITTLE DIPPER (using the Cataumet connection), but she does not.  I suggested that maybe an old-timer in the yard might remember ... she is going to ask around.

I am intrigued by the possibility that ROBIN was different from the others of the first 20.  I am not convinced of this, but it is worthy of some research.  Hopefully, someone at the Museum may know more.

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2011, 11:24:29 PM »
Saw it on-line recently. Said exactly what we know here - rumored to have been lost in Florida....

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2011, 12:16:58 PM »
Note that the titles for 12 1/2 footer plans at M.I.T. refer to the "744 class", not to the "745 class" or whatever.

If Robin were a prototype, it would be somewhat difficult to consider her part of the class and let the numbering begin with her hull number.

Having said that, it is quite likely that a few small changes were made before they went into mass production.

It may be best to go to M.I.T. and look for handwritten notes on the various plans as changes were usually recorded directly on the plan. You'd probably have to go there in person because of the restrictions specific to the 12 1/2 footers.

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2011, 04:12:14 PM »
I'm game - anyone know if they are open weekends...?

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2011, 09:17:59 PM »
No they are not, I had to take time off from work to go when I went.
The wife says I can have a mistress as long as her ribs are made from white oak.

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2011, 04:28:38 AM »
Hey Erick - whats the latest on your 12?

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2011, 03:39:00 PM »
I have temporarily suspended construction on the 12 to build a pair of Ian Oughtred Wee Rob lapstrake canoes for the wife and myself for use this summer.  She always complains that while sailing we don't get any exercise.  I keep telling her that she needs to learn how to relax, but I finally give in to her after I started to see my pastry cemetery start to hang over my belt.  I just laid the first two planks on the first one last night.

The wife says I can have a mistress as long as her ribs are made from white oak.

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Re: How on Earth Did I Miss This?!
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2011, 04:22:02 PM »
Oh now that is funny.... ;D