Is this a Herreshoff Design ?

[rbgarr]

That's interesting and may explain the challenge I've heard some have had in getting plans or offsets to build wood reproductions of the H 12 1/2 in the past.

My point about the three boats in the photos was that they were all fg, nothing more.

[Cardinal Joe]

Thanks , but which one is the "Doughdish" ?

[rbgarr]

I, for one, can't tell the difference among the fg versions except by looking at the builder's plate, the transom or sometimes, the insignia on the sail.

[Jon Brooks]

All the pictures posted above are fiberglass Doughdish models.  They were all built by Eddy & Duff in Mattapoisett, but are now built by Ballentine Boat Works.  They built the molds in 1972, using several different wooden Herreshoff-built boats.  The hulls are foam-core fiberglass, with teak trim and wooden spars. 

Along with the cross-section of the transom, one can easily discern a CCSB boat from a Doughdish by the CCSB's lack of a molded sheer-strake.   Most CCSB boats also use copper around the mast where the gaff-jaws wear, while Doughdish, LLC use a layer of fiberglass cloth and resin.

One can easily discern a Doughdish from a wood 12 by the fact that the sheer-strake ends just short of the stem on a Doughdish, while the varnished strake meets the varnished  stem on a wood boat.  This shows the detail on a wood boat:



And on our fiberglass Doughdish:



Here is a CCSB boat:



Notice that there is only a narrow rail where the molded sheer-strake should be, and that the coamings are shorter from the deck-line.  They also feature a shallower cockpit sole than either the wood or Doughdish models.

Jon 

[Cardinal Joe]

[Cardinal Joe]

[rbgarr]

From here: http://www.mainebuiltboats.com/

Artisan Boatworks Completes Herreshoff 12½ Replica

Artisan Boatworks of Rockport, Maine, recently launched a Herreshoff 12½ replica built to a set of original offsets discovered by Artisan owner Alec Brainerd. "A year or so ago, while researching a different commission, I was lucky enough to stumble upon the original Herreshoff offsets for the 12½. This is the list of measurements that absolutely and exactly define the hull shape with little or no opportunity for interpretation," Brainerd says. "They were previously thought to be lost. This accidental discovery led me to completely and thoroughly research the 12½'s design and develop a definitive collection of plans, measurements, and construction history."

Brainerd worked with Steve Nagy of The Herreshoff Registry to trace the design modifications that Herreshoff Manufacturing Co. had made through the years and assemble a database of measurements from existing 12-1/2s. He then went to John Palmieri, curator of the Herreshoff Marine Museum, to study the actual half model that N.G. Herreshoff had carved, and then traveled to Mystic Seaport to study Herreshoff's original building jig. Finally, with the help of Halsey Herreshoff and Adam Langerman of Herreshoff Designs, he was able to view Nat Herreshoff's original hand-written design notes.

In July, Artisan crews began building what is probably the first authentically shaped wooden Herreshoff 12½ made since 1943, when Herreshoff Manufacturing Co. built the last one. The new boat was launched in early December and will make her debut at the Maine Boatbuilders Show in March.
 

[Cardinal Joe]

From here: http://www.mainebuiltboats.com/

Artisan Boatworks Completes Herreshoff 12½ Replica

[Adam]

This is an interesting thread...Doughdish used three different hulls I believe and Ccsb has an original (had?)12 1/2 and the original molds and Alex did as in the post above...now the only real offsets would come from the model....which is at the HMM...along with Nats offset micrometer....hmmmm....oh Adam L....is this what is stated as Alex studied the model?

[Jon Brooks]

The CCSB 12's use the Cape Cod Bullseye molds with modified inserts.  That's why they have a shallow cockpit and curved transom.

Jon   

[Cardinal Joe]

 Navy Blue hull on Martha's Vineyard .....

[Charles Barclay]

Thanks Cardinal Joe, you source an astonishing amount of pictures.  Want to share the secret?

[Adam]

That first blue one on the Vinyard looks like a Pices 21 - a chuck paine design Based on the Herreshoff "Fish" class.

[Cardinal Joe]

Thanks Cardinal Joe, you source an astonishing amount of pictures.  Want to share the secret?

Charles - what's that saying '' If i tell you ,i'll have to wack Adam " .... HA!,ha! just kidding 

[Cardinal Joe]