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Herreshoff Forum => Specific Herreshoff Vessels => Topic started by: Adam on January 14, 2009, 08:55:50 PM
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OK - For Sale on Boat Trader is a very nice S-Class, with the stated build date of 1937 out of Bourne, MA. No Hull # or Hull Name. I went through the registry and the only "S"'s around that time frame (contract date) that are found are Tern (1419) and Misty (1385); neither are near Bourne. What do you think - am I missing something?
http://www.sailboattraderonline.com/find/listing/1937-HERRESHOFF-S-Boat-89633031
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Misty was at IYRS to be restored in 2007. I don't think that project is finished (or started) ... another question for Warren. Tern has been for sale. It was on Long Island. This could very well be the boat, and the owner chose to move it to a different yard for a fresh market. The other boats that it could be are 1414, 1416, 1417, or 1418. The other 1937 S, 1415, was destroyed.
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Well looky-here... Have we "found" WAWIS # 1414?
From Tom - (I assume he is the broker - not the owner - but I'm waiting to hear back on some details):
Hello Adam,
The hull # is 1414 and she is in excellent condition, just completed a
re-varnish and complete paint job.
What do you have for trade?
Thank you for your interest!
Regards,
Tom
508-561-0879
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NIIIIIIICE
Looks like we got another!
Adam ... your are a real asset to this project !
I still owe you a follow-up with IYRS ... damn thing called work has been slowing me down.
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Work is highly overrated ;D
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I'm still waiting back for a reply from Tom .... I'm heading down that way for Lunch today and may stop by to see the hull. I'd like to know who the owner is - as well as her history - and see that plate that definitively says #1414.....
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Please ... full report required. Boat location, owner name, real hull number, the whole works :)
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Well I went down, and didn't find the boat - I'm dropping him another response....
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Hull #1414s is pretty well documented and certainly was alive in 1993:
"Herreshoff "S" Class Hull #1414
1937-40 Wawis W.E. Janney Jr. Quissett Fe, Nbes
Onward Vinyard Haven, Ma
1946-49 Musketeer Tom Hunt Narr. Bay
1950-86 Musketeer Russell R. (Bud) Hunt Jr. Narr. Bay
1987-90 Musketeer Josh Bordoux
1993- Musketeer David Peterson Mattapoisett, Ma" (Source: Upham, Kenneth B. "History and Register of the S-Boat." Privately printed, 1994.)
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The last owner in Upham's provenance, Dave Peterson, is a builder in Mattapoisett. I assume he owned it in order to restore and resell. I have worked with Dave in the past, and have had it on my to-do list to contact him about Musketeer. We also may be able to find out the current owner from the broker.
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Haven't heard back from them - doesn't appear with the holiday that anyone is at the yard....I'll speak with them tomorrow...
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OK.... Did we hit pay dirt....
Spoke with Tom (Duce). Super nice guy - he is the owner of WAWIS (MUSKETEER) as well as the boatyard she's in (Cape Marine in Bourne - Cape Side). He bought her off David Peterson 3 or 4 years ago and has been meticulously maintained and restored. The resto sounds like a SUPER job by both Tom and David - she is one of only 6 S's with this particular watertight cockpit compartment. In fact so unusual that they had to get copies of the original plans for this particular model from Gordo (brings up memories of our CCSB legal conversations) to do the resto. Plate remains with I believe the Hunt family, but David and Tom fabricated a copy for the hull. So we can certainly place this one as FOUND. I'm going to head down and take a look at her maybe this week and intro myself to Tom. She sounds like a real buy for someone - and she’s being splashed and sailed again this year regardless of whether he sells her or not - cudo's to Tom!
Now for the rest....
At the same time they did this restoration, they did Hull #1119 (SEA DOG) - Tom owned both. She is now owned by the Rodney family out in MV (Chappaquiddick) (Darra and Keith) - that resto was hugely expensive because of her condition; it sounds like a barn fell on her while in storage. Also done by David.... She is now named RESOLUTE. We can list her as FOUND.
Around the same time David also restored one of the R-Class Herreshoffs - but Tom didn't have much other info. Puffin is the only one listed in the Registry as Found, and we all know about Scapa (May Be). Sounds like someone needs to call David :) .
Hopefully Tom joins us here - he's a real nice guy and an absolute purist - even Jon would approve!
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Tom just called me back - He remembered that name of the R-Class - GAME COCK. I should have checked the registry better - She's listed as "Found" with David as the restorer....
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Damn Adam .... you do good work. I guess you can hang around awhile! :)
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You should see me run meetings while doing this :-)
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Me too :). Thank goodness for long, uninspiring conference calls
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Hello Gentlemen,
My name is Sean and I'm the commodore of the S-class in Western Long Island Sound. I found this site quite by accident and glad I did. I can verify that the boat in MA is not Tern. Tern has just been purchased and will undergo restoration this season, possibly in time to race in the Fall series with our class. We have 8 boats actively racing, Tern will the 9th. See our website http:www.herreshoff-s-wlis.org.
Are you keeping track of where all the s-boats are? I'd be glad to help out where I can as I know where quite a few are (including one in Wisconsin). Which boats do you own/have interest in?
Best,
Sean
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Hi Sean - Yes, as best we can of course. Thanks to Steve, the Home page has a very "cool" link that has the majority of the classes - which brings up a map with all the known boats and there locations - its also in the database Registry itself.
See the homepage under the "database" tab :
http://herreshoffregistry.org
Here is a direct link to the Map feature:
http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/map.php
As far as "missing" boats - yes - check the database and you will see if they are listed as "Found" or "Unknown". Any info on "lost ones" or more current info on found ones is always appreciated by Steve!
BTW, that boat in MA was WAWIS # 1414 - and it was a new find for us....
And WELCOME to the forum of course!! ;D
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Sean - I went through the database and and your web site, in your area we have :
9064 Volunteer you have Volunteer
9065 Kandahar II you have Kandahar II
844 Vant now Allegro you have Allegro
1022 Dilemma you have Dilemma
1051 Danea you have Danae
1018 Kotick Now Eaglet you have Eaglet
1419 Tern you have Tern
9058 Sufi you have Sufi
1021 Iroquois you have Iroqouis
971 Rocket now Phoenix you have Phoenix
In you area (I believe) but not shown in your class site:
873 Pandora
852 Hornpipe
You have but we dont:
Vela - Do you know her hull #?
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Sean: Welcome. I am on vacation until mid-next week and am away from my records. I see Adam is taking care of you. If you get the chance, would you be able to email a list of the boats you know of (nagys1@verizon.net)? We look for the boat's name, hull number, location, owner name, and owner contact information. I will use it to cross-check and update the registry database.
I have a considerable amount of S-Boat information not yet entered into the database from the Upham register. If you haven't already seen this, I can probably provide you with some provenance for each of the boats you have affiliation with.
I hope you find the registry site useful.
-Steve
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Thanks for the information from both of you. I do have a copy of the Upham register from the 1994 75th anniversary, but has that register been updated? I have not had a chance to see your online registry, but hope to do that this weekend.
I found out that Volunteer is located in Bay Head, NJ. I'm checking with the yard to see if she has been abandoned or not.
Cheers,
Sean
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Sean: The Upham register hasn't been updated. I am using it to populate the provenance of the S-Boats in the registry, but I'm afraid I am woefully behind. I believe that the registry contains the most current data.
I have been trying to get information about that boat at Beaton's and am awaiting a return call. I didn't know it was VOLUNTEER. I understand she is not in good condition. I don't know her owner's name, which is among the information I am waiting on. If you hear anything ......
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Well here is some more.... I just spoke (well posted) with Tom Javor - seems he just sold Hurricane (1125) to Jay Arnold who used to own Olive (1128). Josh Bernstein is the current owner of Olive.
See, more work for you Steve....Update away...
Tom's now in the hunt for plastic classic....Going down the darkside.....Where I'm already waiting.... ;)
Sean: Can you get us more info on Vela ?
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From Tom:
Yes - Jay was the prior owner of Olive, he bought her in early 90's in Ct.
Maynard Bray purchased Hurricane from Russ Pierce's famly in New Bedford area, not sure of the date. He brought her to Me with him and she was bought as Spirit by Jack Greene of Saunderstown RI in the 80s. I purchased her in the fall of 94 and returned her to the prior name of Hurricane. (originally Barracuda and then Riptide) The history of the New Bedford Yacht Club says she was dismasted in 38, was one of few (2?) boats ot survive on ther moorings in Padanaram Harbor. She was renamd following the storm. The rig in her is original HMM spars - they were salvaged from a boat (forgotten but maybe Iris??) lost in the storm. Both Hurricance (1994 - 1996)and Olive (maybe 98 - 00) were exstensively restored by George and "Mike" Zachorne in Wickford, RI.
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Sean: If your records include hull numbers, could you let us know what they are for: Vela, Volunteer, Kandahar II, and Sufi?
In the registry database, 9000-series hull numbers indicate a Herreshoff boat that has been found, but for which we don't know the real hull number.
Thanks.
-Steve
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Sean - on your site you question which hull was that you saw being launched in Greenport on LI - the name was Elizabeth:
Status: FOUND
Original Name: Koshare
Current Name: Elizabeth
Hull No: 963 Boat Location: Cutchogue, NY
Contracted By: Mrs. Mary G. Ogden Current Owner: John C. Ehlers
Contract Date: 10/1/1925 Owner Since: 2000
Class: S Class Sub-Class:
Original Rig: J&M Current Rig:
Original Price: $3,500.00 Restored By: MPG
LOA: 27' 6" Beam: 7'2"
LWL: 20' 6" Draft: 4'9"
Designer: NGH
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Hi Gents,
I'll send you the hull numbers for the boats you requested tomorrow. Also, Elizabeth is now owned by William Pederson (a very famous architect). I believe she will be moored at Shelter Island, NY.
I'll also send a list of the current owners, locations, etc. for each of the boats down here and others I know of.
Take care,
Sean
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That would be GREAT, Sean. Thanks for the support.
Doesn't Pedersen also own the NY30, Nautilus?
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Yes, he does own Nautilus. He bought the S-boat because he and his wife could not handle Nautilus on their own. Word is that he will sell it.
So, we had our annual awards brunch yesterday...great turnout.
Here are the boats I know of and as much detail as I have:
Sufi - Owned by Peter Wallace and kept at Sewanhaka YC on Long Island (Oyster Bay). She is purportedly in Newport being worked on. Sail #3, hull #963
Danae - Owned by Bill Riley of Larchmont YC. Sail #68, hull #1051
Iroquois - Owned by Rick Beck of Larchmont YC. Sail #17, hull #1021
Kandahar II - Owned by Bob Mehlich of Larchmont YC. Sail #22, hull #unknown, but used to be called Flying CLoud, Voo Doo and Rabar.
Dilemma - Owned by me, kept at Horseshoe Harbor YC. Sail #12, hull #1022
Vela - Ex-Mumtaz - Sail #6, Hull #910. Owned by Jared Gianatasio, kept at Horseshoe Harbor YC.
Eaglet - Owned by Adrian McKemey of Horseshoe Harbor YC. Sail #57, hull #1018
Phoenix - Owned by George and Eric Hanson of Horseshoe Harbor YC. Sail #10, hull #971
Allegro - Owned by Howard T. Howard and William Simmons of Larchmont YC. Sail #20, hull #844
Volunteer - Owned by John Donnelly of Bay Head YC, NJ. I confirmed this last week. He still owns it, but may be selling. Sail #21, hull #unknown, but used to be called Ripples, Wave, MacGwen, Ahab, Tyger.
Trapper - Owned by Harold Kirpatrick. Boat is at Lake George, NY. Sail #6, Hull number 961, 962 or 965
Hornpipe - Owned by Jim Stark. Boat is being restored somewhere in the Berkshires. Sail #50, hull #852
Yankee - Do not know owner's name. Boat has been restored and is in Wisconsin. Sail #57, hull #856. Here is a link to the site of the yard that did the work. http://jwswanboatworks.squarespace.com/current-projects/herreshoff-s-boat-rebuild/
Pandora - Donated to the IYRS in Newport. Sail #45, Hull #873
Elizabeth - Owned by Bill Pederson and kept on Shelter Island. Sail #10, Hull #963
There is also one boat left in Hawaii, but I do not know which one.
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Thanks for this Sean ... this is great.
I'll make the updates shortly. I am in the middle of a major database upgrade that will result in the ability to make real-time updates as opposed to the wait-until-there-is-a-batch method I have to use now. As soon as this is done, I will put a bunch of updates in.
Thanks.
-Steve
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I went to a lecture at HMM a few years ago about the Hawaiian S-boats, and I thought they said all were now gone. On one of them, the owner had removed the frames and glassed over the inside. Frank McCaffrey was a moderator, I could see him cringe.
I've been on Nautilus a few times, although never sailing. The Pedersens are wonderful - Bill designed the interior, and I love it. They've sold an interest in Nautilus, but I think kept part ownership. They also owned the original Araminta, now at Mystic.
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Sean, thanks for the interesting information!
You wrote:
>Sufi - Owned by Peter Wallace and kept at Sewanhaka YC on Long Island
>(Oyster Bay). She is purportedly in Newport being worked on. Sail #3,
>hull #963
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>Elizabeth - Owned by Bill Pederson and kept on Shelter Island. Sail
>#10, Hull #963
#963 is listed twice. I assume #963 Elizabeth is right.
Which one is Sufi?
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Bill: Do you know who now owns Nautilus?
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Sean: I was just studying your post from a few weeks ago and making the updates. You listed both SUFI and ELIZABETH as hull #963. I am pretty sure that ELIZABETH is 963, so I assume that was a mis-type for SUFI. Would you know what her hull number is?
TRAPPER is listed as being either number 961, 962 or 965. Obviously, somebody did some research. These numbers would indicate that TRAPPER was built by George Lawley & Sons. Would you know if that is the case?
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I saw VOLUNTEER at Beaton's Yard last week. She is in pretty rough shape. I believe the owner might be interested in selling her if the right deal came along.
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Looks like Tom has "Musketeer" (1414) back up for sale - there is an ad on Boston Craigslist....
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Yes ... I saw it yesterday.
BTW, have you tired crazedlist.org? You hafta use Firefox and adjust a setting, but it lets you search multiple CL sites at one time.
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Oooooh...No I have not. But will soon ;)
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Don't know if anyone will see this, but I bought Elizabeth from the Mystic Seaport, to which Bill Pederson had donated it a number of years ago. Renamed her to Saltatempo, and have had her cared for by Bruce Avery at Noank Marine Service each off-season, and sail her down to City Island early in the summer, where I can day sail in the western LI Sound. Beautiful, fun boat!