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Herreshoff Forum => Herreshoff Sailing Vessel Classes => Topic started by: Adam Langerman on April 03, 2010, 02:51:24 PM
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Find out more at CYS...
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Can't wait to hear about it. To me, it looks like you are using Nat's offset machine to take the lines from the model used for FANO. Can we expect Herreshoff Designs to be offering such a vessel?
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Yes I am excited about this boat. I wonder though why it is not called the H17 since it is 17 on the waterline? Did someone cave to modern convention?
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I might word it differently than 'cave', but.........yes............
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When are you going to speak about the H-20? I don't see it on the schedule for the CYS.
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No specific time. We will be distributing info in with the registration packages and displaying some renderings. And the builder will be on hand all weekend (it's being built next door to our office in a new shop on Burnside St.)
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Minx always beat better to windward with the loose-footed, wish-bone jib than the club-footed boats.
Jon 8)
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What does the wish bone do for you compared to a plain jib (no club foot, no wish bone)? Does it still have some self- tending qualities?
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Absolutely! With the Wish-boom, you get the self-tending qualities, plus a better sail shape, especially along the foot.
Jon 8)
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That makes sense. Now since we are on the subject of a loose foot giving you better sail shape at the bottom of the sail, why then don't they do the same thing on the main sail? Has to be a good reason, because I don't seen very many sloop rigged boats with loose foot mains.
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Loose footed mains are extreamly popular now - at least with traditional booms....I've heard reefing can be "different" - but some say easier - never owned one so can't say.... What's not so popular it seems are Wish-Boom rigs on mains - except in Cat boats and Cat-Yawl/Ketch's. Not sure why - somewhat more complex halyard and outhaul system maybe? I've heard the changes in aerodynamics due to the boom pressing on the sail is overrated... Who knows.... Halsey designed quite a few I believe.
I have a self tending jib on my Blue Chip - which only attaches at the clew - I guess you can say a loose footed self tending Jib - as opposed to what I see on most 12's which is a "shelf footed" - where the jib boom is attached to the whole foot. I noticed on many of the larger Herreshoffs they had "half booms" attached directly to the aft section of the jib...
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Yes I like the half club jib idea. It allows the front edge of the jib to stil create the foil shape down low.
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Yes I like the half club jib idea. It allows the front edge of the jib to stil create the foil shape down low.
They work great until you have to take them down in a blow, at which point they become a liability.
In the case of the H-20, NGH drew the wish-bone jib boom on the original sail plan so we don't see any reason to change it. I'll get some pictures of the construction progress up soon.
Adam L.
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Find the 12 1/2...
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H-20 molds set up and laminated frames / floors in place. Next comes the laminated keel and then it's planking time!
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The shop is located at 20-22 Burnside St; Originally the HMC machine shop. There is a great picture of the space in the late 1890s on page 35 of Herreshoff of Bristol with all the belt driven machinery, including a huge lathe for which the stone foundations are still in place. When the hull jig for the H20 was being set up, we found the floor of this shop is still perfectly level.
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Dan is doing a great job!!!
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Which 12 1/2 is that in the background?
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I believe that is the 1938ish one that Dan is restoring. He was working on it when we went out for the symposium.
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Yep ... that 12 Dan is restoring is his personal boat, PEEPER.
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Dan's website is up: www.bristolboatcompany.com (http://www.bristolboatcompany.com)
And he'll be posting updates on his blog: http://bristolboatcompany.blogspot.com/ (http://bristolboatcompany.blogspot.com/)
Enjoy...
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Backbone, sheer clamps, and transom are in place. Almost time for planking!
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Why are the 2 forward stations made from a different material than the rest ?
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The forward 2 stations are structural plywood stiffeners that will stay with the boat when it comes off the mold.
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The bulkheads are used in lieu of frames as they join the P & S hull panels together, thus effectively making the forward sections much stronger. Think of the hull panels and bulkheads as "I" beams. The bulkhead material is of laminated 1 mil veneers, hence they are very stiff for their light weight.
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Got it. Thanks.
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Off the mold!
Also, a new project will be moving into Bristol Boat Company's shop today. Pictures later...
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From the hull layup:
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She looks great. Has she a planned launch timescale yet?
And the new project is ?
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This should give the new project away, if you haven't already heard:
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No ... I haven't heard. This is reminiscent of that 'guess the picture' thread from a few months ago. My first shot ... The Marlin ?
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Oak and an early traveler... I'd guess Marlin too!
Jon 8)
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Negative on the Marlin.
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Isn't the protocol that you now supply another clue ? :D
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1914
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How about: Dan is going to restore WIZARD (ex-PORPOISE)?
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Bingo!
752 has been purchased from HMM and will be restored to sailing condition by BBC. The intent is to lease her back to HMM (for $1.00 per year) for use in the sailing school.
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Jeez ... I hope the guy gets chance to finish PEEPER with all this work coming in!
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Everyone here on Burnside Street is thankful to the buyer of PORPOISE for making such a thoughtful and beneficial commitment. To have 752 blocked for restoration and headed for a swell new home at the sailing camp is as good a situation as can be had for all involved.
Dan Shea
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I can't think of a better person to do this work. It is very good news.
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Adam - What is the latest on COQUINA's Resto?
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Unfortunately on hold until a few other smaller projects are finished.
Dan has been good enough to advise us that an S-boat will fit in his shop...
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Haven't updated this in a while. Time flies when you're having fun...
Rolling the hull:
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Yesterday:
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More on facebook here:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.102258119829610.2900.102250619830360 (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.102258119829610.2900.102250619830360)
Video here: http://youtu.be/Y3jzq-FEFD0 (http://youtu.be/Y3jzq-FEFD0)
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And the article in Soundings Magazine this month: http://www.herreshoffdesigns.com/Files/H20_Soundings_June_11.pdf (http://www.herreshoffdesigns.com/Files/H20_Soundings_June_11.pdf)
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Awesome - I totally forgot to go take a look at her when I was down a few weeks back! What is her ETA for the trial sail?
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Getting closer...
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Who wants to go sailing this weekend?
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Wow she looks sweet, but that is just teasing us with only one photo:)
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Erick is correct - we cry foul! 8)
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Mr. Shea has outdone himself!
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He has!
I was onboard so no pics from me. We had one video and two photo persons chasing though so I expect there will be one or two shots coming..
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Is that an aluminum mast?
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Carbon.
Took another 3.5hr test sail this morning.
On a scale from 1-10 she sails like a 20!
Pics and/ or video soon...
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Teaser:
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Great shot... nice House.... ;)
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Video of launching:
http://riyachting.com#liteboxlive:station-box::href:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marinemotion.com%2Fstations%2Friyachting%2Friy_events%2Fherreshoff-h-20-launched-by-bristol-boat-company::referrer:http%3A%2F%2Friyachting.com (http://riyachting.com#liteboxlive:station-box::href:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marinemotion.com%2Fstations%2Friyachting%2Friy_events%2Fherreshoff-h-20-launched-by-bristol-boat-company::referrer:http%3A%2F%2Friyachting.com)
Video of sailing, more to come:
http://youtu.be/Gju56_knixA
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I love the way an NGH design cuts through the water with nary a wake.
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I see a lot of similarity to the 12 1/2, but with a few enhancements like longer LWL, no through the transom tiller, level back deck, but it essentially looks to be of the same style, kind of wide and stable.
The long LWL and the modern battened sail should make her go pretty well as displayed in the video where there appeared t be very light wind.
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INTENT is a great name for a boat.
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Carbon rig, big roach main, jib furler...Adam, can you tell us what other nods to modern equipment/technology have been used? She sure is lovely.
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I've got about 10 hours of sailing time in the 20 since launch in conditions from 2-6kts to 15-18kts. I can say with confidence the 20 is powerful, well balanced, and fast. A full report on her sailing qualities will be coming out soon, but in brief:
-Balance: Right in the sweet spot of just enough weather helm. It's a two finger tiller. The rudder on the 20 as drawn by NGH is proportionally larger than the Fish and 12.5. I think this makes a big difference in controlling the boat in heavy air and big puffs. I've gone out of my way in heavy air to try and let the mainsail over power the helm without success. You are always in control with a light touch on the tiller.
-Power: The first few times we went out were in light air (2-5kts) and the performance was astonishing. Without feeling a breadth of air at water lever, the large roach and full battens up high will drive the 20 right along (see the video http://youtu.be/Gju56_knixA (http://youtu.be/Gju56_knixA) ). I will admit this fact initially had me worried we would be reefing early in heavier conditions. The first time we went out in over 15kts we had a client with us and I had no idea whether to be safe and put a reef in or just go out and see what happened. We went without the reef and it was the right decision. In 15-18 she heels over comfortably to where there is still about 3 inches of freeboard on the leeward side and drives through chop with confidence. The light spar (the tube is less than 40lbs) and 58% ballast ratio (final number, not yet published) has a lot to do with this quality.
-The furler: Many people have scoffed the furler. The fact is being able to pull on a line to put the jib away means less time rigging / de-rigging and more time sailing. For me it's an easy decision.
Anyone who wants to go sailing is welcome to come try her out, but schedule with Peter Sterrett (www.herreshoffyachtsales.com) soon because she will be packed up for the Annapolis Show in a few weeks and will either spend the winter in our show room or FL.
Charles: You got them all except maybe the cold-molded construction and epoxy paint systems.
I'm off to Europe for three weeks of schooner racing....
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Interesting comments on the rudder and WH. When Sidney re-drew FANO for CCSB he gave it his typical "CCA" rudder (that is MY uneducated term) that he seemed to draw for all his NGH re-designs - the Marlin, & Blue Chip (with the exception of the Bulls Eye). He also gave the GOLDEN EYE a short Bowsprit which I assume is for ballence/WH as well. To my eye he also extended the overhang on the stern, but that could be just from the basic line drawing on the site:
http://www.capecodshipbuilding.com/site/specsheets/goldeneye.pdf
I will tell you my Blue Chip was the most balanced boat I ever owned. It had vertually no WH up to 25mph+ and I NEVER felt the need to reef. It was a bit Squirrely dead down wind in heavy winds - both I atributed to the bowsprit - but I'm no NA so who knows....
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A beauty for sure. I envy your Fall schedule. Give my regards to St. Trop'. Miss the racing there. Godspeed!
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Tough day at the office today....
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I soooooooooo hate this time of the year.....It's only worse in February and your posting the same pics. :P
So i take it your not at Newport this weekend?
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Mr. Langerman: Lest I appear hypocritical, I am refraining from telling you what I think in the terms I am thinking them. See the top board regarding Forum rules and politeness. ;D Otherwise, I hope you feel guilty about all of the jealousy you have created.
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Did you see the part about feeling guilty?
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That is a stunning photo....Did you take?
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Yes. With an I phone....
Racing begins again today in Cannes. Be prepared for more...
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You took that with an iPhone? Hmmm ... I may need to trade in my Nikon
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Dang Steve I was thinking the same - real nice Adam....
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Yes, I noticed that Adam was having a good time these days...
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Plus, the boat is real fast, too.
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But, I also noticed he wasn't doing much when I saw him up close.
Just standing around, trying to hold up the boom... ;)
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Nice shots !
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Oh now that made my day HH!!! ;D
Now is he really trying to hold it up or is he checking the varnish work? ;)
What boat you on?