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Herreshoff Forum => Specific Herreshoff Vessels => Topic started by: HerreshoffHistory on November 23, 2010, 07:19:04 PM
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How about a little Herreshoff quiz?
Whoever is first with the right answer is allowed to ask the next Herreshoff-related question.
For starters: Who is this bucking bronco?
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Looks like a 46 foot rating class boat? WASP?
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Yep, WASP
http://www.jsjohnston.org/JPEGs/215-wasp.jpg (http://www.jsjohnston.org/JPEGs/215-wasp.jpg)
(http://www.jsjohnston.org/JPEGs/215-wasp.jpg)
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Well I knew it was a 46 footer - but had no idea if she was Wasp or Gloriana... Is there an easy way to tell from above the waterline?
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Bow profile of WASP is closer to straight. GLORIANA has a bit of reverse in her bow.
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Yes I've seen that in drawings - but in practice I can't seem to tell the difference...At least to my eye....
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Well, that was quick! Congratulations, Adam Langerman!
The photo shows indeed #414s Wasp. Taken by John S. Johnston on Tuesday, September 18, 1894, just after the start of the New York Yacht Club's fall sweepstakes races. The sloop race was contested between Wasp and Queen Mab, with the latter winning after Wasp lost her bowsprit and had to be towed back to Bay Ridge. (Source: New York Times, September 19, 1894, p3a).
Looking at the photo I don't find it difficult to believe that the poor girl broke her bowsprit that day.
Adam, you get to ask the next question.
May I request that we all focus more on historic rather than recent Herreshoff questions?
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I was going to say More Joy, but there is a sprit sticking out...Hmmm...you photoshoped the sail # and name (of course....).... A Rosie pic....damn you Langerman.... :P
How about ALERA, NY30'...... ;)
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ALERA indeed! You're up Adam...
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OK - What year was this herreshoff Designed and Built ? ::) 8)
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1913 - HMM almost won the auction in 2009.
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Hmm, you guys are so fast!
There wasn't even time to read the question! :-)
And then, please, the URL to the answer was in the image... Let me google that for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=herreshoff+site%3Aconceptcarz.com&l=1 (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=herreshoff+site%3Aconceptcarz.com&l=1)
Adam L: "Almost" is never enough! :-)
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Back to boats....What launching?
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Rainbow, May 15, 1934.
What a miserable day.
"BRISTOL, R. I., May 15 [1934]. --- Above the music of the mauls, abanging in rhythm, a new America's Cup yacht was set up in her cradle at the Herreshoff ship yard this morning. She began sliding down the greased ways to her launching. Then the infant ship of sail crept out of her cradle and floated in her element.
The yacht was the Rainbow, so christened by Mrs. Harold S. Vanderbilt, wife of her skipper-to-be. Tonight the new nautical creation lay in a slip, her great mast stepped and rigged ready for her to sail.
She might have been taken out under canvas late this afternoon but for lack of breeze and drab weather conditions. That would have been an all-time record, from hull in building shed to winged flight in one day. ... Mrs. Vanderbilt took one strike with a cloth-covered bottle of champagne. Then she swung a second time for a base hit. Rainbow was christened. But the yacht slid down out of the shed only until the tip of her lead bulb keel was an inch above the water. There she stopped. A connecting rod had broken in the motor unwinding the drum. There was a wait of half an hour until the rod could be replaced. Then the Rainbow went on.
... The building of the yacht had been merry work for breadwinners, some of whom had suffered idleness for the greater part of four years. Among them were veterans who helped build the Reliance thirty-one years ago.#
... The great duralumin mast, 165 feet long and weighing 5,685 pounds, was rolled out on the pier to be hoisted in slings from a lattice-steel derrick and placed in the yacht. Charles G. Nystrom of the Herreshoff firm, John Parkinson of Boston, who will be one of the yacht's afterguard, and Captain George Monsell, professional master of the racer, each placed a quarter down in the mast step for luck. They were careful to note that none of the coins was of 1929 date, the year the depression started.
Rope Stops Are Cut.
It was slow and careful work handling the heavy and unwieldy mast. Shortly after noon, however, it had been set in the step. The shrouds, headstay and backstays were set up and the mast secured. ..." (Source: Robbins, James. "Rainbow Launched At Bristol Yard." New York Times, May 16, 1934, p. 24.)
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So...
Another rainy day. Another launch. But no SOCONY sign over the Herreshoff shops.
When? What?
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June 12, 1889. AUGUSTA
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Smile.
Congratulations!
Your turn!
But I think we must make things a little bit more difficult for you the next time... :-)
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Adam's (correct) response, Augusta, was rather short, so I thought I'd add a little bit more info to that launch scene:
"The steam yacht Augusta, built by the Herreshoff Manufacturing Company of Bristol, R. I., for I. L. Elwood of Chicago, was launched Wednesday afternoon. This is the largest and finest yacht ever built by the Herreshoffs. She is 128 feet long over all and 17 1/2 feet wide, and is schooner-rigged with two small masts. She has a clipper bow and English overhanging stern. Her hull is of composite construction, with steel frame and oak and yellow pine planking. The machinery consists of a Herreshoff improved boiler of 450 horse power and a triple-expansion engine with cylinders of 10, 16, and 25 inches diameter and 13 inches stroke.
It is the intention of her owner to use the yacht for cruising on the Atlantic coast and great lakes, and the builders had especially in view the making of a comfortable, seaworthy vessel, with coal-carrying capacity of thirty tons to enable her to keep at sea for a long time. She has a particularly large deckhouse, situated well in front, with pilothouse forward and dining saloon aft. The deckhouse is of mahogany, with plate-glass windows all around, giving a fine view in any kind of weather. An elevator connects the dining saloon with a commodious and well-arranged galley immediately beneath.
The main saloon is below deck aft the machinery and is reached by a companionway of solid mahogany. The saloon is 13 feet long and the full width of the yacht, finished with solid mahogany and upholstered with olive-green material. The backs of the seats are convertible into berths so as to nearly double the sleeping accommodations of the yacht. A hall running aft from the saloon connects with the owner's stateroom, which is luxuriously appointed and fitted with all conveniences. Between the owner's stateroom and the main saloon is a bathroom on the starboard and a stateroom en the port hand. Forward of the main saloon are two other staterooms, the partitions of which can be swung aside so as to add 7 feet to the length of the main saloon." (Source: Anon. "Herreshoff's Biggest Yacht." New York Times, June 14, 1889, p. 8.)
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Man you guy's are good....
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I'll say!
I go out for a few hours, check in, and bang ... questrions, answers, and more questions.
This is quite entertaining. Keep it coming.
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I was going to say Columbia but I think the flatter stern is Resolute...
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Correct! RESOLUTE. I don't have much info on this picture. It is hanging in the Aria Gallery at HMM.
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Ok...a bit harder, but I think someone may get this, as a very similar photo was taken by a different photographer at around the same time....
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Hm, big sailboat, metal, and with that bow not a Nat Herreshoff designed boat.
Which leaves as possible choices:
#1050s Katoura
#1058s Prestige
#1074s Sheerness
#1131s Istalena
#1146s Enterprise
#1147s Weetamoe
#1233s Rainbow
Only Katoura and Sheerness had portholes.
Only Katoura had that distinctive step in her bow profile.
It's Katoura.
Here's some more info on Katoura:
"KATOURA
1927
Robert E. Tod a member of the NYYC, ordered a big yacht in steel, Katoura, from W. Starling Burgess in late 1926. A sloop of this size had not been built since 1914, when Resolute, Vanitie, Defiance, and Shamrock IV first appeared on the scene. Katoura was designed under the Universal Rule, and her waterline length of 75 feet earned her a rating of 68-1/2 foot. Katoura was thus the first yacht to be classed as a J (rating between 65- and 76-Foot). However, her low rating would have prohibited her from racing for the Cup against 76-foot J boats. Her size aside, the second particularity of this sloop lay in the building method, which complied with Lloyd's scantling rules for yachts longer than the 12-Metre boats of the International Rule. This intentional decision was significant, as Tod intended to go to Great Britain for the 1928 racing season.
Nor was it by accident that he chose to limit the waterline to 75 feet; this option would enable him to pit himself against the British big-class yachts.
The launch of Katoura did not go unnoticed. To begin with, the rumour of her Atlantic crossing to Europe, planned for 1928, incited some eminent British yachtsmen to place orders for new 23-Metre boats, for the first time since 1908! In addition, the new International Measurement Rule adopted in 1928 classed Katoura, which had been born a Universal Rule yacht, as a 21-1/2 Metre. This was the first step toward the gradual merger of the Universal and International Rules.
The most surprising aspect of the story was that Katoura, having shaken the yachting world, never came to Europe. Built at the Herreshoff shipyard and launched on 2 May 1927 after being christened by Tod's daughter Katherine, the yacht's first racing season produced mixed results. Sold at the end of the season to Frank L. Crocker from New York, who renamed her Blackshear in 1928, the boat, which now had an auxiliary engine, came into the hands of William Forbes Ingold in 1932 and was renamed Artemis. In 1934, the sloop was bought by E. W. Clucas and had her name changed again, this time to Manxman. Clucas converted her into a yawl in 1936. At the end of 1947, he sold her to John N. Mathews. In 1954 the yacht, which had become the property of the Madrilene Dr. Alfonso Bueno, was called Roraima and was based at La Guaira in Venezuela. In 1957 Roraima belonged to the Venezuelan Naval School. All trace of her was lost in 1958." (Source: Chevalier, Francois and Jacques Taglang. J Class. London, 2002, p. 141-142.)
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Yep....Whats interesting is this photo was taken by the famous south coast photographer, whaling historian and author Albert Cook Church (1880-1965)....The other I know I believe was by Rosenfeld - and is a very similar shot.
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That Albert Cook Church photo is great! May I ask where you found it?
Here is another photo of Katoura, taken a few weeks before "yours" was taken. This one was probably taken by Tom Brightman and is in the collection of the Herreshoff Marine Museum.
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Okay.... So it's my turn again. The last times I got that sinking feeling that the two Adams know everything --- or that my questions were too easy... :-)
Soooo... Let's delve a bit deeper.
What? When? Where?
Please note: This is not a joke. I think with some knowledge and a bit of detective thinking it should be possible to find the answer.
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Well I'd guess 12 1/2 - FI model - and they be testing the water tight tanks to see if she floats all full up........late 30's by the dress - are you gonna make me establish a year?
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The year?
I want you to identify the hull number!
(And I know you'll be able to do it!)
P.S. Bonus points for identifying the second vessel on the photo!
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Excellent guess Adam, because of the obvious testing of the flotation... BUT: the transom is too high, the tiller doesn't come across the after-deck, the side decks are too narrow, and the combings too high. That's got to be a stock 12 with flotation.
Jon 8)
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Well I agree with Jon - the tiller appears to go through the transom and the decks are too narrow - But ....Seems they are testing the flotation tanks....I'd guess hull #1500 - 1939 - which is the first of the "improved" model in the record....
Unless i'm completely wrong and they are just trying to swell the seams in early spring :)
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Wow! Your eyes are better than mine!
This photo was in an envelope of photos taken by Tom Brightman and labeled in his own handwriting "Fishers Island 12 1/2 footer. Robert McLean. Buoyancy Test. 6/29/39."
Robert McLean's 12 1/2 was hull #1500s and this is what I thought all the photos in the envelope show.
However, Jon Brooks is right: Two photos show the "improved" 12 1/2 #1500s while two others, including the one shown by me in the quiz, show an older 12 1/2 as correctly identified by Jon Brooks. The question as asked by me, thus is unsolvable and the winners are both Adam and Jon.
To decide between the two, let's arbitrarily decide that the next quiz question will be asked by whoever correctly answers the bonus question first, i.e. what's the name of the other vessel on the original photo?
And here is the photo I should have shown: #1500s undergoing her buoyancy test on June 29, 1939.
You guys are sharp!
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Oh, and yet another question (and, no, I do not know the answer): What's that for a boat on the left?
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Ummm... The Yellow Submarine? ;D
The first pic looks like Minx after we had to haul it for some work during a July heatwave. She just sort of hung by the lift-rig for a day or so...
Jon 8)
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I cant remember the name of the yard gantry "A" frame (If i was home I know the book that has it!) - Was it something "Able"....? Bet Adam L will get this one....
Anyway I find that first photo interesting. Presumably they tested the tank on a "standard" 12 before building the "improved" model? or.... #1500 was only partially "improved". Question - in the record # 1503 (an improved model) has a note I can not read - what does it say?
Well i think Jon was more right then me - his turn for a quiz! ;D
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Okay, here's one that just happened to be under the keyboard for my computer:
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Don't forget her provenance!
Jon 8)
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Don't know Jon's pretty launch (yet :) ) but "Useful" was the name of that floating gantry - not "Able"....
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That's right, Useful was the name of the Herreshoff Manufacturing Company's derrick scow.
There's also a Useless. Maybe Adam L. can elaborate.
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Thanks to you guys for a very entertaining thread. I think this is the best one yet.
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Hmmm...I think I know that boat
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Ok, do tell.... Your in this as much as the rest of us :) .
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HMC #381 CORSAIR. Starboard owners launch for J.P. Morgans CORSAIR III.
Restored here in Bristol 2006-'08 and kept in Bristol since. She can be seen running around Narragansett bay all summer. Usually lives off HMM or Harbor Court in Newport.
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For an interesting account of Corsair's restoration see http://www.iyrs.org/Portals/0/Uploads/Documents/Public/pdf/RestorationQuarterly_summer2006.pdf (http://www.iyrs.org/Portals/0/Uploads/Documents/Public/pdf/RestorationQuarterly_summer2006.pdf)
A longer version of this report is in the 2008 Classic Yacht Symposium book.
I have a question: Over the course of time, three launches for Corsair III and one for Corsair IV were built by the HMCo: #282p in 1911, #367p in 1918, #381p in 1925, and #409p in 1939. The first one and the last two were certainly built from Model 419.
Does anyone know if #367p was also built from that model? I'd assume it but do not know.
#381p, the subject of this quiz, was built from construction plan 002-105: Launch for S. Y. "Corsair" (1925-9-21). Adam L., might you be able to check that plan if there is a reference to #367p showing that the two are "related" by having been built from the same model?
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Here is a photo of Model 419 from which Corsair's launches were built:
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There is no reference on 002-105 to #367 that I know of.
On the 002-105 the sheer heights are adjusted from the that of the model. Seemingly raising the bow for a dryer ride (for the driver).
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OK Adams Up!
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I think I took that picture back in the early 90's.
Jon 8)
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OK - has anyone tried to figure out the "yellow sub" in that second FI 12 1/2 photo? I'm assuming military. The early PT boats (1938) had hulls like that - and ports in the same mannor. All are built of wood except PT-8 - which was the only WWII PT boat built of Alum. But they had somwhat tri-hull (cathedral) bows at least to my eye. Now Herreshoff didn't build their first PT until 43 or 44 I think - could this be one of the early ones that was "visiting"?
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I'm beginging to think I'm correct on the early PT boat - turns out #'s 1-8 were all tested at a facility in Melville Rhode Island - which is just a few miles down the road from HMCo.....There are at least three different designers - so the hulls varied greatly. They were all rejected BTW by the time the war started....
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Early PT boat may well be. If only we'd have electronic access to the Bristol Phoenix. Then we could find out if there were visitors.
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This might be a little off base.
What model, year built, and for who?
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Hm, let me guess here, I really have no idea.
Built by NGH, no doubt about that.
Built in 1932, or thereabouts.
Possibly built in Florida.
Built for whom? All I know is who owns the model today: HCH.
Built from which model? Possibly also from model no. 9, the one Robie was built from.
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I would have guessed Sidney with that rig....for Halsey. Reminds me of Delemma #412.
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Model answer: the tag on the box the boat had been stored in until last year.
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That is wonderful! Thank you for the post!
I am very curious about this model. May I ask what you know about it?
Where was it built? Where did it spend its life? What are its
dimensions?
And do you have an idea which model it was built from? As I said,
model no. 9 for Robie made in 1929/1930 MAY have been a basis.
More photos would be very helpful.
I am also curious about the spelling of the name. What happened there?
Did he mix up two names? And how come he wrote Nathaniel with ie?
Interesting and fascinating. Again, many thanks!
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Most of what is know about the model is on the tag.
We assume it was built in FL.
In its box there are also some sketches and calculations pertaining to the sail plan.
The name is not a mix up. Nat III (Halseys brother) original birth certificate read Nathaniel. His mother later had it changed to Nathanael after Capt. Nat brought up the subject.
So do I get to go again?
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Thanks for the info!
So do you get to go again?
I am not sure. You asked "What model?" and haven't answered that question (which I understand to be what model was it built from?).
So... If you provide an answer to your own question (and give us the dimensions of the model yacht), then, yes, your turn, again. (Although... I think I was pretty close. :-)
Oh, and where did it get its name Sprite? Does it say so on the box?
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I can't quite remember but On the name - I believe Nat did the same - early on he spelled it one way - later on differently. i forget why?
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This thread keeps getting better and better.
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N. G. Herreshoff signed his name Nathaniel Greene Herreshoff until sometime between 1910 and 1915 when he visited the grave of General Nathanael Greene (after whom he was named). From then on he also spelled his name Nathanael Greene. (Source: Bray, Maynard and Carlton Pinheiro. Herreshoff of Bristol. Brooklin, Maine, 1989, p. 220.
I am still confused by this tag: N. G. H. wrote "Nathaniel Chase Herreshoff". Why did he write Nathaniel and not Nathanael if he really meant it to be Nathanael? And why Chase? His grandsons are Nathanael Greene Herreshoff III and Halsey Chase Herreshoff. That's why I was suggesting a mixup.
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Hm, pretty quiet lately. I think it was Adam L's term. But he isn't here, apparently.
So here is the next question from me. No photo this time.
Only one vessel built by the Herreshoff Manufacturing Company was from a design by William H. Hand Jr.
Which one?
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I have spent the better part of an afternoon trying to figure this one out....humph!
Not sail. or motor yacht. I'm going to take an educated guess that leaves military. The ww II designs are too late. the WWI boat designs are too few - and I believe all NGH. That leaves the flying boats - It just so happends Hand worked for a NY Navy yard doing seaplanes in WWI - so I take a guess - NC-4?
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Nothing military.
WW I navy boats built by HMCo were designed either by N. G. Herreshoff or by A. Loring Swasey.
The NC-4 was designed by Glenn Curtiss. It's hull (which was built by the Herreshoff Manufacturing Company) was designed by Naval Constructor H. C. Richardson, U. S. N., with structural work mostly done by W. L. Gilmore of the Curtiss Co. No William H. Hand Jr. involvement whatsoever.
The HMCo-built, Hand-designed vessel still exists and it is fairly typical for Hand's work.
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Yet another hint: Her name was (and still is) Little Gull II.
When was she built and what was her Herreshoff building number?
Here is a photo of her:
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Damn.
#389p
1928.
not good.... >:(
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Why not good? Correct answer! Congratulations! Your turn!
That was a fairly difficult question because Hand and Herreshoff are usually not mentioned together.
HMCo #389p Little Gull II is the only William Hand designed yacht that was built by the Herreshoff Manufacturing Company.
She was contracted for on December 28, 1928 by Irving B. Bonbright and built in 1929 with an LOA of 42' 6", beam 10' 10", a draft of 2' 10" and two Hall Scott engines of 175 h.p.
In 1947 she was renamed Nublumoon but today she carries her old name Little Gull II again.
Maynard Bray thinks highly of her and featured her in Wooden Boat #183, March/April 2005, p. 152.
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Not good because I went through the entire P records and still I missed this.
Anyway - Working on the next one...
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Well, I think it was pretty easy to miss as no boat name nor designer was given in the Construction Record!
And this boat was not discussed in any of the Herreshoff literature.
You did very well!
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Well, I came close - when you gave the hint that it was typical of Hands work I thought it was Ariel II for sure - or possibly Stroller. That's when I let my imagination get the better of me and came up with NC-4 because of his experience with such craft. I let over thinking get in the way of facts....In the end I would have never have figured Little gull II....
Question - assuming Hand did the plans and or model, I assume none exist at HMCo.? Do you know if Mystic (or is it MIT?) - has her plans as part of Hand's Collection (or whats left of it - if i remember correctly most of his stuff was destroyed in '38)?
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OK - this one is simple I think - but we never discuss the pre HMCo. boats - What is NGH's first design? When was it Built? and how old was Nat at the time?
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Adam asked about the plans for the Hand-designed, Herreshoff-built power cruiser Little Gull II: They are all at M.I.T. as part of the Davis-Hand Collection which in turn is part of the Hart Nautical Collections. Four plans are also in the Haffenreffer-Herreshoff Collection, but they concern details such as the propeller shaft, the rudder or the exhaust muffler.
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Adam asked:
>What is NGH's first design? When was it Built? and how old was Nat at the time?
Here is the answer in the words of his son L. Francis:
"The First Designs of N. G. Herreshoff
I believe the first yacht of any consequence that Captain Nat designed was the sixteen-foot catboat, "Henrietta," whose name was later changed to "Popasquash." The same year he made a model from which the twenty-five-foot sloop "Haidee" (later named "Fanchon") was built. "Violet" was also built from this model as well as "Ariel." These boats were modeled in 1864 when Nat was only sixteen years old, although "Violet" was not built until 1866.
This brings up the story of a strange incident that Captain Nat told me in his old age. When the "Violet" was completed young Nat sailed her in a trial race against an older boat designed and sailed by his father, and "Violet" was beaten. Nat was so disappointed that as soon as he got home he took an ax and chopped up the model from which "Violet" had been built so that no other boats would be built from it. Strange to say, all the boats built from this model turned out very well later and were much liked by their owners. This incident, Captain Nat told me, made him more patient in later life and taught him to wait until a boat was thoroughly tried out before he condemned her.
The model from which "Violet" was built is the only one missing in his collection of models." (Source: Herreshoff, L. Francis. Capt. Nat Herreshoff. The Wizard Of Bristol. The life and achievements of Nathanael Greene Herreshoff, Together With An Account Of Some Of The Yachts He Designed. New York, 1953, p. 80.)
I think L. Francis gets to ask the next quiz question...
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There was a reason for my asking this semingly easy question - as I was well aware of L. Frances comments in his Fathers Biography...I had also once read that Nat did make the 16' LWL Catboat Henrietta model first followed by Haidee model shortly thereafter - but that Henrietta was not built for some time until 1865. I got the sense that Haidee may have actually been built first. So depending on your definition of "first" one could argue...Does anyone know which one hit the water first?
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Well, you pick your choice here. The record will probably remain somewhat unclear:
"At about this time (fall of 1864), I had a desire to have a boat, and I designed and made a model for a 16 ft. cat boat. This was not built then, but the following year for a Mr. Holden and was named HENRIETTA. [It was owned] later by Charles F. Chase [and] named POPPASQUASH." (Source: Herreshoff, N. G. "Boats and Yachts that I have been Especially Interested in by Sailing and Some of Which I Have Owned." Bristol, April 1932. In: Pinheiro, Carlton J. (ed.). Recollections and Other Writings by Nathanael G. Herreshoff. Bristol, 1998, p. 103.)
"This year, 1865, John built two boats from my models, my first to be built from. They were the sixteen foot catboat POPPASQUASH that was owned by Charles Chase Sr. for many years, and the sloop yacht HAIDEE, about twenty-seven and one-half feet overall. I sailed quite a good deal in each of them and they proved very good little craft." (Source: Herreshoff, N. G. "Some of the Boats I Have Sailed In." Written 1934. In: Pinheiro, Carlton J. (ed.). Recollections and Other Writings by Nathanael G. Herreshoff. Bristol, 1998, p. 46-47.)
"Following the model for the 16 ft. boat [HENRIETTA / POPPASQUASH], I made a model for a 25 foot sloop HAIDEE for Dr. S. Powell, 27' oa., 10'9" beam. After selling, [her] name [was] changed to FANCHON. This yacht I sailed a good deal in 1866." (Source: Herreshoff, N. G. "Boats and Yachts that I have been Especially Interested in by Sailing and Some of Which I Have Owned." Bristol, April 1932. In: Pinheiro, Carlton J. (ed.). Recollections and Other Writings by Nathanael G. Herreshoff. Bristol, 1998, p. 103.)
"This exploit [of leading for a while during the 1865 the New York Yacht Club Annual Regatta] brought John [B. Herreshoff] and [Dexter] Stone to the limelight, and in the year (1865), they built HAIDEE I, a number of small catboats and fishing boats, besides a large number of cheap yawl boats to be shipped to South America. HAIDEE I, a twenty-five foot waterline sloop, was my first design and she proved very satisfactory. She was afterward named FANCHON and went into the hands of Edward Burgess and he won many prizes with her." (Source: Herreshoff, N. G. "The Old Tannery and My Brother John." Written July 28, 1933. In: Pinheiro, Carlton J. (ed.). Recollections and Other Writings by Nathanael G. Herreshoff. Bristol, 1998, p. 22.)
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Ok so this is not a “What’s this” question - but an interesting question nonetheless....The Ballentines asked a question on their site (http://www.ballentinesboatshop.com) when talking about the BB15's (E-class):
Does anyone know why E?.. or S, J, R, or Q, etc, for that matter? Why did N. G. Herreshoff refer to some of his designs with letters, and did they have any significance? We have a theory, but we are not sure. Does anyone know?
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Responses to this should be interesting.
Regarding NGH referring to some of his designs with letters, are we talking about, e.g., S Class, P Class, or R Class? If so, my understanding is that those letters referred to the rating class that corresponded with a certain measurement. The S Boat, for example, measured 17. The later the letter in the alphabet, the smaller the boat.
NGH referred to the BB15s as a 15-footer. The E-class came from the Beverly Yacht Club. 15s were E, 12s were H, BB25s were D, BB30s were A, etc., for regattas at BYC. At least, that's my story.
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I took the questions to be asking why did NGH pick the LWL ratings he did. Why was a J class under the rule 65 feet (later 76 feet), S class 21 feet, etc.....