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Herreshoff Forum => Miscellaneous Herreshoff Topics => Topic started by: will on December 05, 2010, 03:00:31 AM
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I have been working over the past 4 years to develop lines drawings from the original design data by NGH. All the work is done by hand, pen on Mylar. I believe many out there have heard about this. If not you can check out my website. This originally began with limited edition prints, 100 prints per design forever, even MIT can't produce the prints I am producing after. Last year i began to expand, and now am happy to say I have the S-Class available as an open edition print, and am developing a print for the H-Class. Ultimately this has been so amazing and I am very privileged to be doing this.
Now that some time has passed, i am curious as to what everyone thinks about the work? I know at first some people were upset about the pricing. I also received complaints that the work was just to large. I have since created proportionately smaller sizes of each drawing with pricing adjusted to the size. I am very happy that I have been receiving regular questions about specific designs, and feel quite privileged to offer any opinion.
I would love to hear any comments or suggestions about my work, and if ther eis any suggestions as to the future of my work.
Best,
Will Sofrin
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How about a link?
Jon 8)
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Hi John,
Sorry,
http://willsofrin.com/limited_edition_prints (http://willsofrin.com/limited_edition_prints)
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Very nice Will. Just a thought: you'll sell more 12 1/2 prints than probably any other in the series. To sell the most, make a Marconi and a Gaff Rigged Version available. There are probably not a ton of Wish-Bone Rig enthusiasts out there...
Jon 8)
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Thanks Jon,
Working on it, will have the gaff, and marconi, but not the wishbone.
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Hi Will,
As a hobby I've been trying to read up as much as I can about the most desirable classic yachts ever built, and have often pondered about owning a couple of line drawings for my study.
Do you have the NY 50 line drawings within your collection?
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From what I see he has the Herreshoff S-Class, Doughdish (12 1/2), NY 30, NY 40, Nellie, Stilleto, and Reliance...
http://www.willsofrin.com/
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Thanks Adam,
I had searched through the website, but had been unable to locate it. Thought I was missing a trick somewhere!
Do you know where I maybe able to obtain copies of the NY50 lines?
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Yes - MIT's Hart Museum....
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> Yes - MIT's Hart Museum....
Not as far as I understand: You can indeed get lots of drawings (interiors, deck layout, etc) but unless someone does work like that of Will Sofrin or François Chevalier, you will get figures from the book of offsets and certainly not lines.
The only constant thing in the NY50 were the lines (and the sailplan), so the drawings that are available from the Haffenreffer collection (like the deck layout) are those of a particular unit.
WIll knows for sure.
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I doubt you will find a NY50 lines plan at Hart Nautical collections.
You might try Mystic Seaport Museum which has a collection of 59 plans of #714s Pleione made between 1926 and 1955 when L. Francis Herreshoff re-rigged her a a yawl for Mr. Santry. Who knows, there might be a lines plan in between all those plans. I doubt it, though.
It may well be that a set of lines was developed in connection with the recent restoration of #712s Spartan.
W. P. Stephens, in his Traditions and Memories of American Yachting, once published a set of NY50 lines.
HOWEVER: When overlaid with a photo of the NY50 model at the Herreshoff Museum it is impossible to get a match. Different vessels. Next step would be to look at the construction plan at Hart Nautical collections and overlay that with the W. P. Stephens lines. I haven't done that. But PM me if you'd like to have a hi-res file of the W. P. Stephens lines, anyway.
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Looks like Mystic has info on VENTURE and PEERLESS in LHF and Stephens papers:
LFH:
38.411 VENTURE; 50 ft. LWL New York Yacht Club 50 Designer, Nathanael G. Herreshoff; Design number unknown; Builder, Herreshoff Manufacturing Co.; Date made unknown
38.412 UNIDENTIFIED; 72 ft. New York Yacht Club 50 Designer, Nathanael G. Herreshoff; Design #711; Builder, Herreshoff Manufacturing Co.; Date made unknown
38.72 PEERLESS; 72 ft. New York Yacht Club Fifty Designer, Nathanael G. Herreshoff, re-rig, L. Francis Herreshoff for Burgess, Swasey & Paine; Design #313; Builder, Herreshoff Manufacturing Co.; 1913
Stephens:
VENTURE Box 11 / Folder 8
PEERLESS 1/14, 1/23, 2/28, 5/15, 6/22, 7/10, 11/2
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Thank you one and all for your replies.
Am I right in thinking that the 'UNIDENTIFIED; 72 ft. New York Yacht Club 50; Design #711' could be very similar to Spartan?
I will contact Mystic to see if they are able to oblige, although i'm not very hopeful!
Until recently I never realised there were so many knowledgable enthusiasts about classic yachts!
Think i'll have to make a trip over the pond at some point to savour the history of it all.
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I beleive that 9 NY-50's were designed by Capt NAT and built by the Herreshoff Mfg. Co. between 1912-13. However I have been unable to identify their names, owners , and what happened to them.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
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I believe only one - Spartan - Still exists. The registry has the history of each:
http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/select.php?class=New+York+50&field=Hull_No&lookfor=&src=dsp&submit=Search
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>Am I right in thinking that the 'UNIDENTIFIED; 72 ft. New York Yacht Club 50;
>Design #711' could be very similar to Spartan?
Yes, and no.
Yes, the hull will be identical to Spartan.
No, the rig is very likely a later conversion to either yawl or Marconi rig.
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SPARTAN is the only known remaining NY50. A few pieces of hardware from PLEIONE, salvaged by Mystic before she was scuttled, were used in the restoration of SPARTAN. BARBARA was known to be around as late as the 1980's. She is believed to be be gone now, though there are those that believe she may be extant.
The model used to build the NY50s was also used to build an R-Boat named SCAPA.
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My dad visited PLEIONE when it was tied up alongside Columbia just after the 1958 America's Cup races. Everybody remarked on how the NY50 class would have made a much better Cup boat then the 12 meter, and how stunning PLEIONE was compared to the Columbia.
Not long after PLEIONE was taken out and scuttled at the wishes of her owner.
Jon 8)
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I dont think Spartan is the last of the NY50`s. There is one on the left coast named Rowdy.
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Are you sure about ROWDY?
I know there was a NY 40 on the West Coast named ROWDY a few years back, but she is now racing (and winning) in the classic yacht circuit on the Med. Is there any chance you have these confused? If not, I would love to get more details about the NY50.
Thanks.
-Steve
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April 2011 Edition of WoodenBoat magazine has article by Maynard Bray featuring the restoration of NY 50 Spartan. pp58-67. Including a description of what happens when modern foils and marconi rig meets up with the Herreshoff model and Gaff rig.
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Regarding Pleione: Sometime around 1967-71 I was at US Submarine School and later based out of Groton/New London on Submarines. Having a strong interest in boats and sailing I became aware of Mystic Seaport and the shore between Westerly and Old LYme. Back in those days I could get an afternoon off and would head over to Jamestown, RI, where one could catch the ferry to Newport (no bridge yet!) Of course the draw was that on those summer days in the passage to Newport we would get up close and personal views of the 12's practicing for the America's Cup........But one day I was kicking around the Mystic shipyard (I think-first one S of the Rt 1 bridge on the East/Stonington side) I was surprised to find the largest piece of lead I had ever seen-sitting in the launching cradle was a ballast keel so big I thought "where could this have come from?" Fresh from the recent 12 meter activity over in Newport I could only think of one of them! Then I remembered that Pleione was up the river at the Seaport. (Of course Vayu nee Doris was across the river!) So I ran on up to the Seaport and being after hours (and I was a member!), I jumped the fence. There alongside the south bulkhead was Pleione afloat. Her deck structures and hatches had been cutout of the deck and were lying on the lawn. Her bilges were freshly filled with concrete . The last 2 feet of the boat, transom and all had been sawn off and , like a tombstone, lay there with the name Plieone visible. That transom ended up in the NYYC Clubhouse at the Seaport. Her mainmast for a time became the flagpole just North of Cottrell's lumber yard on the East bank of the river. A very sad story/ JC
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Fascinating!
Thanks for sharing!