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Herreshoff Forum => Restoration => Topic started by: DaveHub on October 08, 2013, 01:13:26 AM
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I am pleased to post that I am sponsoring the restoration of "S" #1385 at the International Yacht Restoration School (IYRS).
She was built in 1936, originally "Tinker Too", then "Misty" for a while, and we will re-christen her "Clara J" next June!
I met the second year class that is doing the restoration and was quite impressed! They run a great student blog which is the best way to track her progress!
Go to IYRS.edu and see the blogs on the bottom left of the web page. Look for Hans Scholl's blog.
I plan to bring her down to the Wooden Boat Show in Mystic next year, and then sail her to her new home which will be Port Jefferson, Long Island.
We're off and running!
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Welcome to our group, Dave.
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FINALLY! Something nice to look at when arriving from Bridgeport on the ferry!
Jon 8)
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I noticed yesterday that IYRS had found a sponsor for her restoration. Congratulations and thank you Dave, and welcome to the Herreshoff Registry.
When I spoke with Terry Nathan in mid-August, he said it was finally on the curriculum along with the International One Design and an as yet unnamed dinghy for the second year students. I suspect the unnamed dinghy maybe "Gem" another Herreshoff.
Interestingly, if you follow the market for these things, Misty was listed on the website with a sponsorship value of $90,000. Given Angus Davis's recent restorations of Papoose and Squaw, and the other data point of the S-Boat rebuilt two years ago in Massachusetts for $65,000, it gives one a sense of valuations for the class.
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Thanks all for the welcome. :) I was quite impressed with how the "S" boats hold their value (Assuming we care for them!).
And the dinghy is named "Gem". They are also doing a Quincy Adams 17 right next to our "S". I think the Quincy Adams is still available, not sure. At least their site doesn't show it as sold yet. It's a very cute boat.
That is one busy class this year!
I see a possible fellow Long Islander here? I grew up in Bridgeport and Fairfield CT, and when I was born the family boat was the picture I have used for my Avatar here, an HMC Fishers Island 23, "Tigress" Sail # 2. I moved to Long Island out of college, so with family in CT I have probably taken the Port Jeff ferry 100 times or more!
A couple of interesting details about this "S". Seems that there were subtle changes over the span of HMC's construction, from about 1920 or so through 1941. This one was built in '36, and was cedar on oak frames like all of them, but also, the earlier ones had the deck laid on top of the sheer strake, this one had the deck laid into a rabbet in the sheer strake. Also, it seems that the sheer strake was often oak, however this one appears to be mahogany of some kind. They also usually used a two part keel, which met in the middle and was joined with a stop-water, which apparently didn't always stop the water! IYRS thinks they have found a single 28' piece of oak for the new keel. That's a rarity for oak that size nowadys. Must have a great source of wood!
More later!
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General Update: Last Thursday (10/31) the hull was rolled upside down with molds in place. 17 molds in all, with frames steam bent onto them. The rest of the frames will make up 31 total stations.
The class blogger sent me photos in semi-real-time as it progressed. Interesting method they used! I expect they will post the pics to their blog site off IYRS.edu . Hans usually posts updates weekly on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Dave
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Update: She is now fully framed! Coming up, fitting the keel and planking!
I posted to the class blog that they were demonstrating rule #1 of wooden boat building: "You can NEVER have too many clamps!" Followed closely of course by rule #2: "More Steam!"
The blog pictures are very nice, even artistic.
Dave
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Fun Thread! Keep it up Dave - sounds like it's going rather quickly...
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And we have a keel!
The class steam-bent the almost 30' keel and fitted it this past week.
I'm stopping in this Monday, might get to see them fit the garboard if I'm lucky.
Check out the blog here:
http://iyrs.edu/AboutIYRS/StudentBlogs/StudentBlogHansScholl/tabid/898/EntryId/301/Fall-Term-Weeks-13-and-14-Thanksgiving.aspx (http://iyrs.edu/AboutIYRS/StudentBlogs/StudentBlogHansScholl/tabid/898/EntryId/301/Fall-Term-Weeks-13-and-14-Thanksgiving.aspx)
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Hi Dave,
Congrats on the restoration of Misty/Clara J!
My name is Sean Park and I have the pleasure of being the caretaker for the S-boat Dilemma (1928, hull 1022). We race her in Western Long Island Sound in a fleet of 7-10 S-boats and I learned to love the boats as a kid racing on my dad's boat out of Glen Cove.
Here is our fleet's website (I need to update it this weekend...got lazy this year). www.herreshoff-s-wlis.org. Please let me know if you need any advice on deck hardware configuration, sail selection, etc., or if you would like to learn more about our fleet.
Best wishes on the restoration and for the New Year.
Best regards,
Sean
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A lot of progress on Clara J !
The mast is all faired and ready for finishing and hardware, and the planking is at about 50%. So about another week or two for planking!
And thanks Sean for the info on the western fleet.
Dave
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The crew at IYRS flipped the boat over in March. See here:
http://www.iyrs.edu/AboutIYRS/StudentBlogs/StudentBlogHansScholl/tabid/898/EntryId/317/Spring-Term-Weeks-8-and-9-All-boats-are-fully-planked.aspx
Student Hans Scholl does a great blog.
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Charles - Thanks for noticing! Yes, she is looking great, and Hans is doing a great job.
I will be up at IYRS this Friday, April 4, to check on things and go over a few details with the crew.
I was able to attend IYRS' "Restoration Dinner" at the NYYC in Manhattan a few weeks ago. Had a great time and met a couple of the students there. I learned that Clara J's Stem is from a knee obtained from Mystic Seaport. It was some of the wood they got from the old Navy Yard. Nice to know even some of the wood has some history behind it!
Much of the decking parts had been fabricated over the past few months, so I would expect some pretty quick progress.
Looking good for "Launch Day" at IYRS on May 31st!
Dave
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Had an outstanding visit to IYRS. I spent quality time with the students who explained a lot of detail to me.
For a bunch of pics, see http://www.lihubbards.com/pics/iyrs20140404.html (http://www.lihubbards.com/pics/iyrs20140404.html) . Note a couple of the pictures are of the Quincy Adams 17 they are also doing. A very pretty boat. It's the one slung up in the air while they are fitting the keel.
We have most deck beams, and they were in progress on the chain plates, quarter knees (Hackmatack/Larch BTW), and making patterns to fit a mahogany edge to the deck, which will fit into the rabbet in the shear plank. This will prevent end-grain from being exposed right at the edge.
Some good detail shots of the mast as well, with the hounds, some bronze where the spreaders will attach, and the raised wood part of the track. Given the curved mast, and the hounds, the main track has to stand off the mast. You can see the detail in the pics.
Also, Warren Barker (lead instructor) convinced me to keep the forward bulkhead watertight. Most of the "S" boats I've seen have a cutout for easy access for forward storage. He told me of an "S" that was caught in a line squall at night, didn't see it coming, and got blow down. With 3,300lbs of lead, it went to the bottom so fast the keel was embedded in the bottom. When they pulled it up, the keel ripped out and stayed below. So OK... let's leave that forward area as flotation! (Now, where to keep that anchor and rode?)
On schedule for launch on 5/31! The launching at IYRS is open to the public BTW. See http://iyrs.edu (http://iyrs.edu) for details.
Dave
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Almost ready for launch day!
IYRS posted a shot of the deck canvas going down on their Facebook site: https://www.facebook.com/IYRS.Training.Programs/photos/a.190626688936.123185.90858563936/10152102954833937/?type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/IYRS.Training.Programs/photos/a.190626688936.123185.90858563936/10152102954833937/?type=1)
They are doing this traditionally, with real canvas. As I understand it, they get it from a company that makes it for ballet floors and boxing rings. Because they can get the widths needed, so there are no seams!
We will be "Dressing Ship" for launch day, which is open to the public, on Saturday, May 31st, if anyone is in town and wants to drop in.
I also finally found a supplier of good hardwoods on Long Island. Robert's Plywood. You would not guess by the name. But they have a great hardwood section. The usual stuff, plus mahoganies, ash (white and black and european), sepele, teak, and a bunch of others. If I get enough time, I'll be making my boat hook using the WoodenBoat plans.
Speaking of WoodenBoat, Clara J was featured in their May eNewsletter!
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"Clara J" is launched!
We were at Graduation/Launch day this past Saturday at IYRS in Newport. What a great day!
We were able to take her out with many of the students who restored her, and Warren Barker the instructor who oversaw this amazing process.
Winds according to local sources were 15+ with gusts in the mid 20s. We had two reefs in, and were clocking 6.3 ! The S is far more nimble than I expected. What a great boat.
This project was amazing, and great fun. Especially engaging with the students and staff at IYRS. I highly recommend it if you can.
See a short video that IYRS produced of the event, very well done. Clara J is the boat 'dressed' with signal flags:
http://youtu.be/2PPQtUYKejE (http://youtu.be/2PPQtUYKejE)
There are still some odds and ends to be wrapped up and adjusted, but if all goes well, I will have her at the WoodenBoat Show at Mystic Seaport at the end of June.
Hope to see you there!
I'll do another post to wrap this up in a few weeks.
P.S. I believe 'Plum', the Quincy Adams 17 also in the video, is still available, as are a few of the Beetle Cats, if anyone is interested. All restored by IYRS this year.
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Great news Dave!
Thanks for funding her restoration, hope you and Lady J have many wonderful sails together.
I read Hans Scholl's last blog on it, he did a fantastic job covering the year at the school.
Enjoy your new mistress with white oak ribs.
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Outstanding! Will she be at the Herreshoff Regatta ?
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Enjoy your new mistress with white oak ribs.
Hey, I have copyright on that!!
Wow, a brand spanking good as new S-boat. I'm jealous. Good times with her. Hope to see her at the regatta.
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I know--it was a nice steal and homage to your handy work.
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I told my wife about that tag line. She loved it. I also let her name the boat!
So, "Clara J" (ex "Misty", ex "Tinker Too") was named as follows by my wife:
Clara was the name of Cap'n Nat's first wife. Also the name of one of his personal boats (up in the museum of course). And it means "clear, bright" which would be our wish for sailing. Plus it's the name of a family mascot (a chipmunk, who does in fact have her own PFD btw).
The clincher is the "J", for my wife Jane.
Smart huh?
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We are at the Wooden Boat Show!
She is turning heads for sure!
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I so want to hear more about the Chipmunk..... ;D
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She is home! After a long battle with 25+ going into Port Jefferson, she came through for us with flying colors on Tuesday.
Another Herreshoff has been saved.
Special thanks to the IYRS Class of 2014 and their instructor Warren, for a beautiful job.
And, for those interested, here is the Chipmunk!
(http://www.lihubbards.com/pics/ClaraJ/ClaraJane.JPG)
Thanks to all for the good wishes.
See you out there!
Dave
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A chipmunk and a rabbit? Scandalous!
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We're a very open minded family! 8)
Here she is finally home!
(http://www.lihubbards.com/pics/ClaraJMoored.jpg)
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Beautiful Dave. What Sumbrella color are the sail covers, I have to get mine made, and I kinda like that color. Is it "linen"?
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Hi Erick,
Yes, it is the Sunbrella linen. I had them done by Katie Bradford at Custom Marine Canvas in Noank, CT. I looked at all the sunbrella colors, their web site has a marine section. But the linen just felt the most 'classic' given the colors of the boat. Katie sent me a swatch first (actually a couple, of different brands) to look at.
She also did a tent for me which you don't see here. They 'pattern' the boat first, and design the canvas so there are no additional fittings needed. No snaps on the hull etc... All zippers around lazy jacks, twist locks, lines to existing cleats, velcro around shrouds, etc...
I'll see if I can post a shot of her in the sun, to get a better sense of color.
Dave
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Dave, where is home port for Clara?
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Port Jefferson, Long Island, New York.
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Ah, another New York Herreshoff owner :)
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I'm in Port Jeff quite a bit...my Sis lives in Smithtown... Hmmmm... I'd really like to meet the Rabbit and chipmunk... ;)
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Adam, shoot me an email at dave@lihubbards.com and we can sync up on something. Always looking for crew!
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Hi Folks,
I am a little sad that my first season with Clara J is closing out. I thought I'd sign off this 'Restoration' forum too, as she is fully at sea now. I'll put her further adventures over under the 'Specific vessels' section.
She will spend the winter with Donn Costanzo in Greenport, NY at his 'Wooden Boatworks'. See a picture of him at the helm of Clio in the October shot in the Wooden Boat calendar. I was going to sail her out this weekend, but we had quite the weather (gusts to 30kts) here today, so no go. Donn will help me make other transport arrangements.
But tomorrow should be a glorious, if cool, sailing day, so I'll take her out for probably my last sail of the season.
I hope to see some folks at various events next summer!
Pics of her are here: http://www.lihubbards.com/pics/claraj2014.html (http://www.lihubbards.com/pics/claraj2014.html)
(http://www.lihubbards.com/pics/claraj2014/ClaraJDressed.jpg)
See you out there next season!
Dave
Dave
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Dave - Are you going to keep her out in Greenport next season?
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Nope. Back to Port Jefferson for next season.
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Hi Dave,
Sean Park with S-Class of Western Long Island Sound again. Just wanted to congratulate you on the launch and beautiful boat you are taking care of. Great stuff! Also just wanted to put it out there that it would be great if you could participate in a race with our fleet this coming season. I'd even offer you my best crewman to help out since he knows the waters, starting sequences, etc. We are also having an awards brunch in Larchmont probably in March if you would like to come and meet the class.
Best regards,
Sean Park (Dilemma, originally sail 59, then 12, now 59 again).
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Sean,
I'd certainly be interested in your March event. And yes, I should try to get west at least once this summer!
You can pick up the communication with me at davechub@gmail.com .
Thanks and looking forward to meeting some more "S" folks!
Dave