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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2008, 06:48:54 PM »
no.26 i think is the print no.

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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2008, 07:01:55 PM »
l.o.a  34.33  o.f 6.42 o.a 6.28 l.w.l 21.63  l.w.l beam 7.11 boat rating is 18.55 after 1943 restoration

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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2008, 07:24:38 PM »
here is the history passed down to me was this boat had a sister vessel 2 or 3 boats similar.white cedar soaked in white kerosene. these boats were raced on the east coast. when sailboat racing became popularized in the early 1900"s by the Chicago Yacht Club this boat surfaced in the record books as a consistant challenger and winner in lake michigan sailing under the name THE GREEN PARROT. in 1943 it was restored in milwalkee.1n 1959 as SWANEE and was fiberglassed 3rd place queens cup race in lake michigan at muskegon yacht club.in the early 1970's raced as THE RAVEN and won first place from muskegon to saugatuck by 3 min. actual time. draft is 5'3"

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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2008, 08:11:56 PM »
Wow...Page 2... Steve, take note - Milestone reached ;D

Unless I'm mistaken in my database query I don't see any of the Herreshoff boats matching those dimentions... Steve ?

She certainly had a heck of a racing record! to think competitive from at least the 1920's through the 1970's... and not in just your "average" races besides. I just sent an E-mail off to the R-Class Historian Scott Rohrer to see if he knows the boat with the Info that Brian provided.

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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2008, 09:34:50 PM »
There are a number of 21-footers in the record.  By my way of thinking, it is far more likely that length measurements would be adjusted during rebuilds than beam, so I looked for 21-footers with a beam of 7-11.  I found a group of 3 (497, 536, 547) that have a beam of 8-0 specified in the record.

I guess we have no names of prior owners?
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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2008, 09:54:16 PM »
From Scott:

Hi Adam,

Thanks for the photos.  What a cutie. ‘Very hip keel. 

I have a pretty complete registry of the R-class at home and I’ll look for this girl on it.  I have attached here an incomplete register of sail numbers that I have been compiling for several years. 

She’s a little small to be an optimized R as the class rating limit was 20’ under the Universal Rule and S-boats rated 18, I believe (17’?).  The biggest sloops were the Js and bigger racers were all schooners.  Pirate is a smallish R and measures 24’ on the WL, 39’ on deck and 8.5’ beam.  Her draft is close to this boat, her displ. 9,500 lbs.  John Alden designed a 44’ long R from what I understand.   LFH designed Live Yankee probably the biggest R ever built – displ >15,000 lbs.

While most S-boats were one-design (the Herreshoff S in New England and Hawaii, the Bird class in San Francisco and the Pacific Coast “PC” class in San Diego), there may have been some early “one-offs” or small series-built S-boats but I don’t know.  I understand there was even a T-class.  They must have been pretty cute.   

Many clubs used the Universal Rule levels for their class designations whether racing “Level” or with time allowances applied.  Just rating anywhere under 20, this boat might have fit without being conceived as an R-class racer.   

As far as the construction goes, the raised deck creates a big prob.  George Owen designed a Canadian R called Riowna (later Svea) in ‘25 with a raised deck.  She was quickly ruled illegal as the Rule scantlings for house tops were much lighter than for main decking and her forward half was decked like a house top.  She was quickly shipped to Vancouver where she was eliminated mostly for just being too danged slow.  Also, N. Herreshoff’s scantling rule calls for a single stringer in the bilge and of much greater dimensions than either of the stringers in the photo of Green Parrott’s interior (see: 3rd attachment).   Please keep me in mind as this mystery unravels. 

More later,

Scott


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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2008, 11:06:29 PM »
THE GREEN PARROT

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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2008, 02:03:26 AM »
This is the best thread we have had yet !

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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2008, 03:33:15 PM »
Well, I've noticed a bit more foot traffic with the "guests" as well.....All good news.

Unfortunately with this thread - I'm out of idea's...Pretty sure she's not Herreshoff built at this point. Brian, if I where you I would do several things....

1. Contact South Shore Yacht Club in your area - They are the holders of the queens cup - and would have a full history of placing boats - including owners and class. http://www.ssyc.org/_site02/Queens_Cup_History.asp

2. Contact the Muskegon YC - as your boat seemed to be a member there - at least in the 1950's. My guess is one of the "old Timers" there would remember her - if not in their yearbooks. Every YC has a historian (official or not).
http://www.muskegonyachtclub.org/

3. Do let us know what you find - you've got a bunch of "classic" yacht groups very curious! Point any of the above back to this site so they can see the details (and you don't have to keep repeating yourself!)....GOOD LUCK!
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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2008, 08:13:47 PM »
Some more info....

Hi again Adam,

Below, a response from the owner of Popnjay, a fiberglass Burgess r in Cleveland re. Rogue.   Edgewater YC is defunct. 

The mold at Cleveland was splashed off Burgess’ Cotton Blossom in the late Fifties, I believe. 

More later…

Scott

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we had a
Rogue here in cleveland
she sailed out of lorain, then edgewater
i tried buying her in the mid 80's but learned that a high school shop teacher wanted her for a class on woodworking
needless to say, though she was in bad shape when he obtained her, the boat was never put back into sailing condition
i think she was finally relegated to a backyard planter
oh well
i always liked the winches

charley


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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2009, 08:24:08 PM »
A little late, but I think I can ad a little info here:

The Newport 29 Rogue is currently sailed out of Fisher Island.  Sidney took the offsets and and made a lines plan for Rogue, the builder drew the construction and layout drawing, and S&S did the rig.  Rogue is faithful to the original lines except her stern post is at a slightly greater angle than the originals and her rudder extends further aft due to the propeller aperture.   Rogue has larger scantlings and less lead than the originals.

IOLANTHE,  N29-6, built by Brion Rieff with naval architecture and engineering support by Herreshoff Designs Inc (I was involved), was built faithful to the original lines with a modern layout and is the first to be built cold-molded.  We attempted to match the hull weight of the original boats (over built by cold-molded standards) to keep IOLANTHE competitive with the original boats.

Pictures of IOLANTHE here: http://herreshoffdesigns.com/npt29gallery1.html and Brion will have her at the Woodenboat Show in June

These boats are truly great to sail. 

Adam

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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2009, 09:05:36 PM »
Wow Adam, this is great. I had heard rumors of a #6 being built - where is IOLANTHE being sailed?

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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2009, 02:11:04 AM »
Do we know who the builder of Rogue was ?

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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2009, 04:09:06 AM »
Yes, Rogue was Built in 1953 by CT builder Seth Persson....He also built the famous S&S Finisterre...
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Re: New Bedford 29
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2009, 02:56:47 AM »
I didn't read the whole thread here, but that picture of Green Parrot looks an awful lot like a non-Herreshoff S boat that IYRS had a while back. As I recall, there were 6 of them built somewhere in the middle part of the country. Probably around Chicago somewhere, because I believe the IRYS boat was originally owned by the Wrigleys. She was in beautiful shape. I don't know where she went, but IYRS must have records.