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Irv Mac Dowell

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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #945 on: February 20, 2013, 03:16:58 AM »
That looks like a lot of weight aloft.  Any idea what the canopy frame weighs?

Is this boat seriously for sale?  Where is it located?

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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #946 on: February 20, 2013, 07:52:59 AM »
That looks like a lot of weight aloft.  Any idea what the canopy frame weighs?

Is this boat seriously for sale?  Where is it located?

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Irv - I forward your questions to the seller .

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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #947 on: February 20, 2013, 08:03:32 AM »

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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #948 on: February 20, 2013, 06:02:18 PM »
If you ask me if you added a canvas to that thing you turn it back into the America Catboat.... :o

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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #949 on: February 20, 2013, 10:16:43 PM »
I'd worry about changing the righting moment.  Oops!  Over she goes...

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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #950 on: February 23, 2013, 05:55:23 AM »


or

Bimini Folding Top


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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #951 on: February 23, 2013, 06:00:30 AM »
another view of canvas top ......


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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #952 on: February 25, 2013, 03:08:02 AM »
Cont. - " Harbour Lite " .......

1984 pilot it has a 2 cylinder Yanmar.


 
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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #953 on: March 01, 2013, 01:06:16 AM »
Wonder if the wooden molding around the inside cabin window was an option ?




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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #954 on: March 03, 2013, 06:11:36 AM »


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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #955 on: March 04, 2013, 04:09:33 PM »
Another Picture with Wooden Trim around the Cabin Windows ......


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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #956 on: March 04, 2013, 04:14:01 PM »
To set the record straight on canopies and bimini tops I refer you to any picture of a steam launch, a bow rider or a chesapeake deadrise workboat. Any of these would have a lightweight aluminum frame or a lightweight douglas fir frame. The weight is usually under 50 pounds. The canvas covering weighs about 10 pounds.

My boat Lola as an America Cat had a 75 pound aluminum mast standing 25' plus into the air. When the 20 pound sail is set the material is vertical to the wind and creates the windage that allows for laminar flow of air and forward motion of the boat.

In contrast, the horizontal application of a canopy top is in line with the wind direction( which is also horizontal most of the time). I have read posts where people express concern that a good breeze could flip a powerboat or lift it into the air. When you are on a boat with any type of canopy, you do not consider that the top might be unbalanced because you realize you are in a boat that weighs a couple of thousand pounds and that the center of effort is below the waterline and that stability is not really affected in the least.

My goal with Lola before she was turned into a project boat by Sandy was an open launch with canopy top. It was to have an aluminum frame with the striped surrey top like the launches of the 19th century. I didn't invent the idea, I got the idea after seeing a beautiful Herreshoff electric launch a few years back.

Now that I'm rebuilding Lola in my shop, upside down with the deck off and the liner removed. The layout and drive system are going to be unique to the hull type and will be installing a surrey top with douglas fir frames and bronze flanges and fittings. It will look more traditional than the boat above, but will be no more  dangerous or top heavy than any boat with a top that you se on the water any day of the week.

As far as being top heavy and having a lot of windage that can adversely affect navigation, I refer you to the photo's Joe has posted of a blue launch with a full cabin enclosure. I believe a boat like that has lost a good deal of initial stability with the height of the cabin and had increased the windage to the point of being difficult to operate in any decent cross wind. Is the boat pretty? yes. Is it stable? I don't think so.


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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #957 on: March 04, 2013, 08:10:47 PM »
It seems to me that the whole idea of a steadying sail on boats like these is to fill alternately one side and then the other to dampen snap rolling in a beam sea.  Canopies that are in line with the cabin top, or "horizontal" as noted above have no such function.  Round bilge boats like the Pilot tend to roll in a rather gentle motion, though some may find such motion sickening after a while.  My concern, especially with the boat above, is that the aluminum structure appears to be very heavy.  Any rolling would seem to be exacerbated in a beam sea because of that weight.  I also wonder about that single point attachment to the covering boards.  That location will be getting a very large amount of forward and aft movement in the normal use of the boat.  That area would be very prone to failure, it seems to me.

I think the best solution for most users would be a Bimini top as shown folded in one of Joe's pictures.  Simple to deploy and furl, and very light in weight.

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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #958 on: March 04, 2013, 10:55:04 PM »
By the way, Joe, there's a Chris Craft ladder like Herk's for sale on Ebay.

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Re: herreshoff 18'
« Reply #959 on: March 05, 2013, 04:50:30 AM »
eBay item #  350727914104

VINTAGE ANTIQUE MAHOGANY WOOD CHRIS CRAFT BOAT NAUTICAL LADDER & BRACKETS .....

Current Bid is > $103.51

I can't copy the picture of this Chris Craft Ladder on eBay its protected by Auctiva !

Description :   
I believe this is a Classic Chris Craft Boarding Ladder.  It appears to be made of mahogany with original aluminum fittings and brackets.  When closed, the ladder measures approx. 30.5" l (including bracket) x  15" w x 7.5" d.  When open it is approx. 51.25" long.  The ladder appears to be in excellent as found vintage condition.  There are no cracks, chunks, or major damage.... just the expected signs of use and wear..... just as there should be.
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