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Adam

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Interesting Book
« on: November 15, 2009, 01:56:30 AM »
Steve, Et Al.... I just picked up the book "New Bedford Yacht Club, a History" By Llewellyn Howland (III) (2002). I'd seen the book around a few times but never was in a position to purchase it - and it's quite hard to find. Interestingly there is a copy at the HMM gift shop (been there for years) but it's not cheap. I always liked the Howland families writings - and use this Llewellyn's "Yachting in America" as my book buying bible so I picked one up. It's written in the same style as Stephens history of the SCYC, and Parkinson's history's of the CCA and NYYC - with year by year accounts. Llewellyn adds the side notes of important boats, people and other items to help explain things a little deeper - similar to what his Uncle Waldo did in his auto bio's ("A life in boats" series).

Anyway, there is quite a bit in here on the Herreshoff's, 12 1/2's, S boats, etc. as the club was a major center of buzzards bay racing - and many of it's members were well established clients of HMCo - not to mention the importance of Padanaram as a yachting "center" in those days. I've only begun to read it but I think you might find this an important resource if you don't already have it.

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Re: Interesting Book
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2009, 11:55:12 AM »
Thanks Adam.  I'll keep my eye out for it.

Quite a coincidence ypu bring this up now, though.  Last weekend we were in Mystic.  I am pretty sure I saw the book in the shop there.  Instead, I picked up his uncle's trilogy, A Life In Boats, which I have just started reading for the first time.  It is quite enjoyable.

I also was in correspondeced with "Louie" about 3 weeks ago.  He owns an antiquarian bookstor outside Boston.  I am looking for the build records of the Quincy Adams Shipyard, and Maynard suggested I check with Louie.  He suggested I speak with a guy who used to work at QA, Ken Buchanan.  I haven't yet been able to locate Ken, but it is a gratifying exercise.

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Re: Interesting Book
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2009, 02:11:34 PM »
I enjoyed Waldo's the Second "Life in Boats" (Concordia years) more then the first - but both I consider "go to" books for yachting history of their perspective era's - I quote them here often. Less so the third book....I never met Louie - but met his Uncle and Father several times as a boy in Padanaram.

I knew Louie had a book shop - never been - I really need to look in my own back yard more I think.

On the Quincy shop - it's about time  ;). I got contacted a year ago by a guy who wanted to write a book on the yard - he owned and restored a motor cruiser they had built in the 30's. I'll see if I can dig up the contact. Also, It is my understanding that MIT has both George and Fred (Father and son) Lawley yard records as the McInnis-Lawley Collection (I believe it was Fred that changed the name to "Quincy Adam's Shipyard"). I have found great confusion with this yard and the much larger "industrial" shipyard - The Fore River Shipyard (commonly called Quincy Shipyard). Many will speak of them and you wont know which yard they are talking about!

Finally I live about 15 minutes from the old yard - if you need any local footwork let me know...

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Re: Interesting Book
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2009, 02:29:37 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2009, 02:45:32 PM »
Thanks for the help.  What I am trying to find is the builder's log ... something roughly equivalent to that which is published for HMCo in the MIT Guide To The Haffenreffer Collection.  I want to use it as the foundation for tracking the H12-1/2s that were built by QA. 

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2009, 03:36:37 PM »
McInnis-Lawley Collection

"Three generations of Lawleys built fine yachts and working vessels in Massachusetts from the 1860s through the 1940s. The last in line was Fred who attended MIT as a naval architecture student in the late 1890s. George Lawley and Son Corporation was the major competitor to Herreshoff Manufacturing Company (HMCo). The Lawleys designed yachts and were the only other major New England yard that independent designers could use since HMCo. did not take on outside designers until the 1920s. The total output of both yards was comparable – combined production exceeded 6,000 boats over all years of operation. When the Lawley yard closed for good in the late 1940s, Walter J. McInnis collected many of the extant plans and models. In 1965, he gave approximately 3,500 plans and 10 half models to MIT. The vessel plans date from 1894 to 1940. A granddaughter of Fred Lawley recently donated unique photographs and other Lawley family archives.""

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Re: Interesting Book
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2009, 10:25:02 PM »
I'm not sure I am following you.  Are you saying that Lawley became Quincy Adams Shipyard?

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2009, 11:24:26 PM »
Yep....Kind of.... as far as I know the story is this - and I could be wrong (I always reserve that right...) - George Lawley and sons  lasted until the teens - and George Died. Fred (the Grandson) sold it or closed it and started F.D. Lawley Boatyard - which later (late 20's maybe) became Quincy Adams Shipyard. What I'm not sure of is did the original Lawley's close, get sold, or just had a name change, and only Fred's yard exist. So it was always my understanding that when someone says that 12 was built by Quincy Adams, and this S Boat is a Lawleys - they are talking the same shipyard...

Now Keep in mind just up the road is the giant Fore River Shipyard - this yard is commonly called the Quincy Shipyard - so there can be great confusion between the yards when someone say's "it was built at Quincy".






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Re: Interesting Book
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2009, 12:10:14 AM »
Thanks Adam.  I have a little reading to do.

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Re: Interesting Book
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2009, 05:49:16 PM »
Steve (et al ^2) do you have the book Sailing Days at Mattapoisett, (Edward F.R.Wood Jr.)?

Howland makes reference to the book in History of the NBYC in describing the 15 footers. I'm inferring from what I'm reading that the 15 footers were not (at least on Buzzards Bay) a one design class. They had there roots in a BB Crowninshield designed "Skipjack" class at the turn of the century. These were replaced by the first generation (my words) 15 footers that were designed by Burgess in 1903 - with local builder designer William Hand building/designing several others. Most seem to be replaced by the Herreshoff version  starting in 1905 (at least in Marion). Whats interesting is there seems to be a single class for all three of these 15 footers - as they apparently raced together - at least through 1907 on buzzards bay.

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Re: Interesting Book
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2009, 01:29:48 PM »
There were other 15-foot classes, as you say, but I don't know too much about them.  Bill Beardsley probably knows a little more ... perhaps he can chime in.

I do know of Sailing Days At Mattapoisett.  Colt referred to it as a research source for his The Big House (which has some interesting anecdotes about the 12).  It is hard to find. I managed to locate a copy once, but it was priced out of my range.  Wood wrote several books about the local history.  They were published by a small company in small runs, making them hard to come by.  Supply and Demand laws as they are, the books tend to be quite pricey.

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Re: Interesting Book
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2009, 04:00:27 PM »
The Geo. F. Lawley Corp. was sold by the Lawley family in the 1920s and survived until the close of WWII. The F. D. Lawley company was a different opporation altogether, started by Fred Lawley after the sale of family firm. It was the F. D. Lawley company that became Quincy Adams after the Noyes family took over. There was a certain amount of cross pollination to be sure, but these were two distintly different companies.



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Re: Interesting Book
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 04:20:38 PM »
Thanks Jon! So there was two seperate Lawley firms at the same time (only one under family control). I supose the Quincy Adams 12's built by the Fred Lawley's firm (F.D. Lawley)as Quincy Adams, and the S Boats built by the older George Lawley Firm.

Jon do you know if Fred remained on while under the Noyes control?

If so, Steve, his records may still contain what your after at MIT.