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Steve

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Re: Alerion - Herreshoff Designs
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2011, 01:39:28 AM »
The 12 1/2 and the Fish were both built from the same half-hull.  The BB25, Nat's favorite design, was a different model.  It  has a similar hull shape with a hollow bow, but also a centerboard .  The S boat is entirely different, and the BB 14 is a modification of the 12 1/2 designed by L. Francis
Herreshoff, not Nat.

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« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2011, 03:46:47 PM »
Thanks Steve, Your probably more accurate than I. It was several years ago when I read it

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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2011, 01:30:44 AM »
26' Herreshoff Alerion
•Boat Name: "Piaffe"
•Year: 2001
•Located in Muskegon, MI





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« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2011, 03:32:54 AM »
26' Herreshoff Alerion
•Boat Name: " Karma "
•Year: 2000
•Located in Bristol, RI


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« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2011, 02:44:38 PM »
26' Herreshoff Alerion
•Boat Name: " DJANGO "
•Year: 1985
•Located in RI, United States





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« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2011, 04:30:16 PM »
I do not see boomvangs on any of these Alerions.  Nor adjustable backstays.

Is it a cultural no-no to put a vang on a Herreshoff?  How about an adjustable backstay?  Mast bend control affects sail shape and upwind performance. 

Most Herreshoff yachts are fractionals, whereas the S Boats have the running back and check stays to control bend, their boom extends to the transom and the vessel lacks a backstay.  Also, I see some of the Alerions have booms that extend beyond the transom and some do not.

Can someone shed some light on this?

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« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2011, 03:34:37 AM »
Regarding the Alerions, they were never intended to be a class when originally designed.  "Alerion" was Nat Herreshoff's personal sailboat, and he designed it for himself to sail in his later years.  It is now on display in the small boat shed at Mystic Seaport.

Mass production boats started with the cold-molded, Gunter rigged boats built on Nantucket in the late 1970's.  A while later, Halsey Herreshoff drew up plans for a full-keel boat like those pictured above.  As they aren't really considered one-designs, they can be made with a multitude of rigs from a Gunter, to a Gaff, to a Marconi to I suppose a wish-bone. 

As regards to a Boom-Vang, I suppose it all depends on the rig.  I have one on our 12 1/2, but we can't use it while racing.  Still, it's a handy thing to have in sloppy conditions off the wind.

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« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2011, 03:33:39 PM »
The Nantucket boats came after Halsey's full-keeled version, which was designed / built for the last private owner of Alerion III, Isaac B. Merriman.  The story is told here: http://herreshoffdesigns.com/HA26_Soundings_Article.pdf

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« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2011, 09:51:08 PM »
I stand corrected!  I still like the full-keel version better...

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« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2011, 05:01:33 PM »
Thank you Adam.

That is an interesting history on how the boat got back into production and I can see now it was not intended to be a production one design class.  It pops up from place to place with PHRF ratings and I presumed there was a standard configuration.

The first two Alerion's were fin keelers, any drawings or pictures available?

Mahalo,

CB

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« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2011, 03:25:44 AM »
26' Herreshoff Alerion
•Boat Name:" Lady Ashley "
•Year: 1984
•Located in New Haven, CT


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« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2011, 03:07:31 PM »
26' Herreshoff Alerion
•Boat Name :" Interlude "
•Year: 1979
•Located in Charlevoix, MI













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Re: Alerion - Herreshoff Designs
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2011, 05:56:52 PM »
Interlude is new to me.  I will be asking Halsey about that rudder!
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« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2011, 12:05:05 AM »
That was the first thing I noticed too!  Maybe they stole it off of Streaker?  :o

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Re: Alerion - Herreshoff Designs
« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2011, 12:46:05 AM »
I recall when Halsey was drawing up his plans for Streaker a transom mounted rudder was briefly considered.