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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2010, 10:44:12 PM »
So...

Another rainy day. Another launch. But no SOCONY sign over the Herreshoff shops.

When? What?


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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2010, 11:43:32 PM »
June 12, 1889.  AUGUSTA

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2010, 12:05:26 AM »
Smile.

Congratulations!

Your turn!

But I think we must make things a little bit more difficult for you the next time... :-)

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2010, 12:07:33 AM »
Adam's (correct) response, Augusta, was rather short, so I thought I'd add a little bit more info to that launch scene:

"The steam yacht Augusta, built by the Herreshoff Manufacturing Company of Bristol, R. I., for I. L. Elwood of Chicago, was launched Wednesday afternoon. This is the largest and finest yacht ever built by the Herreshoffs. She is 128 feet long over all and 17 1/2 feet wide, and is schooner-rigged with two small masts. She has a clipper bow and English overhanging stern. Her hull is of composite construction, with steel frame and oak and yellow pine planking. The machinery consists of a Herreshoff improved boiler of 450 horse power and a triple-expansion engine with cylinders of 10, 16, and 25 inches diameter and 13 inches stroke.
It is the intention of her owner to use the yacht for cruising on the Atlantic coast and great lakes, and the builders had especially in view the making of a comfortable, seaworthy vessel, with coal-carrying capacity of thirty tons to enable her to keep at sea for a long time. She has a particularly large deckhouse, situated well in front, with pilothouse forward and dining saloon aft. The deckhouse is of mahogany, with plate-glass windows all around, giving a fine view in any kind of weather. An elevator connects the dining saloon with a commodious and well-arranged galley immediately beneath.
The main saloon is below deck aft the machinery and is reached by a companionway of solid mahogany. The saloon is 13 feet long and the full width of the yacht, finished with solid mahogany and upholstered with olive-green material. The backs of the seats are convertible into berths so as to nearly double the sleeping accommodations of the yacht. A hall running aft from the saloon connects with the owner's stateroom, which is luxuriously appointed and fitted with all conveniences. Between the owner's stateroom and the main saloon is a bathroom on the starboard and a stateroom en the port hand. Forward of the main saloon are two other staterooms, the partitions of which can be swung aside so as to add 7 feet to the length of the main saloon." (Source: Anon. "Herreshoff's Biggest Yacht." New York Times, June 14, 1889, p. 8.)

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2010, 05:36:09 AM »
Man you guy's are good....

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2010, 12:07:13 PM »
I'll say!

I go out for a few hours, check in, and bang ... questrions, answers, and more questions.

This is quite entertaining.  Keep it coming.

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2010, 06:11:21 PM »

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2010, 01:57:30 AM »
I was going to say Columbia but I think the flatter stern is Resolute...

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2010, 03:57:10 PM »
Correct!  RESOLUTE.  I don't have much info on this picture.  It is hanging in the Aria Gallery at HMM.

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2010, 11:07:58 PM »
Ok...a bit harder, but I think someone may get this, as a very similar photo was taken by a different photographer at around the same time....

« Last Edit: November 28, 2010, 11:11:34 PM by Adam »

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2010, 09:06:00 AM »
Hm, big sailboat, metal, and with that bow not a Nat Herreshoff designed boat.

Which leaves as possible choices:

#1050s Katoura
#1058s Prestige
#1074s Sheerness
#1131s Istalena
#1146s Enterprise
#1147s Weetamoe
#1233s Rainbow

Only Katoura and Sheerness had portholes.

Only Katoura had that distinctive step in her bow profile.

It's Katoura.

Here's some more info on Katoura:

"KATOURA
1927
Robert E. Tod a member of the NYYC, ordered a big yacht in steel, Katoura, from W. Starling Burgess in late 1926. A sloop of this size had not been built since 1914, when Resolute, Vanitie, Defiance, and Shamrock IV first appeared on the scene. Katoura was designed under the Universal Rule, and her waterline length of 75 feet earned her a rating of 68-1/2 foot. Katoura was thus the first yacht to be classed as a J (rating between 65- and 76-Foot). However, her low rating would have prohibited her from racing for the Cup against 76-foot J boats. Her size aside, the second particularity of this sloop lay in the building method, which complied with Lloyd's scantling rules for yachts longer than the 12-Metre boats of the International Rule. This intentional decision was significant, as Tod intended to go to Great Britain for the 1928 racing season.
Nor was it by accident that he chose to limit the waterline to 75 feet; this option would enable him to pit himself against the British big-class yachts.
The launch of Katoura did not go unnoticed. To begin with, the rumour of her Atlantic crossing to Europe, planned for 1928, incited some eminent British yachtsmen to place orders for new 23-Metre boats, for the first time since 1908! In addition, the new International Measurement Rule adopted in 1928 classed Katoura, which had been born a Universal Rule yacht, as a 21-1/2 Metre. This was the first step toward the gradual merger of the Universal and International Rules.
The most surprising aspect of the story was that Katoura, having shaken the yachting world, never came to Europe. Built at the Herreshoff shipyard and launched on 2 May 1927 after being christened by Tod's daughter Katherine, the yacht's first racing season produced mixed results. Sold at the end of the season to Frank L. Crocker from New York, who renamed her Blackshear in 1928, the boat, which now had an auxiliary engine, came into the hands of William Forbes Ingold in 1932 and was renamed Artemis. In 1934, the sloop was bought by E. W. Clucas and had her name changed again, this time to Manxman. Clucas converted her into a yawl in 1936. At the end of 1947, he sold her to John N. Mathews. In 1954 the yacht, which had become the property of the Madrilene Dr. Alfonso Bueno, was called Roraima and was based at La Guaira in Venezuela. In 1957 Roraima belonged to the Venezuelan Naval School. All trace of her was lost in 1958." (Source: Chevalier, Francois and Jacques Taglang. J Class. London, 2002, p. 141-142.)

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2010, 03:31:23 PM »
Yep....Whats interesting is this photo was taken by the famous south coast photographer, whaling historian and author Albert Cook Church (1880-1965)....The other I know I believe was by Rosenfeld - and is a very similar shot.

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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2010, 06:13:39 PM »
That Albert Cook Church photo is great! May I ask where you found it?

Here is another photo of Katoura, taken a few weeks before "yours" was taken. This one was probably taken by Tom Brightman and is in the collection of the Herreshoff Marine Museum.


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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2010, 07:01:50 PM »
Okay.... So it's my turn again. The last times I got that sinking feeling that the two Adams know everything --- or that my questions were too easy... :-)

Soooo... Let's delve a bit deeper.

What? When? Where?

Please note: This is not a joke. I think with some knowledge and a bit of detective thinking it should be possible to find the answer.


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Re: What's this? Quiz
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2010, 07:06:28 PM »
Well I'd guess 12 1/2 - FI model - and they be testing the water tight tanks to see if she floats all full up........late 30's by the dress - are you gonna make me establish a year?