original "Rugosa"

[rugosasd]

Hello All,
I have been chosen to represent the owner of the original "Rugosa"as she is now for sale. #608 originally built for Russell Grinell 02.7.1903.
As I'm sure you all know the current Rugosa was originally "Rugosa" 11(2)
and re named "Rugosa" in 1955.

She has been shored for some 27 years and is very complete after having extensive repairs in the mid 80's. Details upon request.

We intend to seek out interested parties interested in her purchase and restoration, any direction in the endeavor will be most appreciated.

Thanks and best Regards,
Dean

[Adam]

Hi Dean - Yes I remember speaking to Ryan some time ago when we were doing the research to figure out who the old girl was, I believe Steve was trying to connect possible restorers - but don't think anything came of it. We will of course continue the search. Please keep us informed of any movement or changes of ownership,

[Steve]

At one point, Maynard Bray offered to feature her in his "Save A Classic" column in Wooden Boat magazine.  I wouldn't be surprised if that opportunity is still available should you be interested.

-Steve

[HerreshoffHistory]

It still has not been established that this vessel is really HMCo #608s from 1903.

What are her dimensions?

What is her frame spacing (the old frames, center to center, on average)? The photos on http://www.flickr.com/photos/11118614@N06/sets/72157623624638044/, particularly photo No. 3 http://www.flickr.com/photos/11118614@N06/4435314760/in/set-72157623624638044 certainly show details typical of Herreshoff-built boats built during these years but I find it difficult to reconcile the location of the hanging knees with Rugosa's construction plan. For what it's worth, Rugosa's hanging knees were at frame stations 13, 14, 15, 18, 22, 26 and 29. On the photo, the hanging knee leading into the transom berth (i.e. cockpit forward bulkhead) would be frame station 29.

What of her history is known? When did she come to California? What were her previous names? How come she is described in http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/forum/index.php?topic=259.msg1504#msg1504 as "Sally Ran" when the photos show a name of "Pridewind"? (I find the reference to "Sally Ran" VERY interesting and potentially important.)

[Adam]

Road trip to CA? 

[Steve]

She was stated to have been called "Sally Ran" by the owner in his Craig's List ad about a year ago.  It is fairly certain that she has had some modification over the years.  Perhaps Dean can answer the questions about her heritage, when she came to CA, etc.

[HerreshoffHistory]

I have just been corrected that the position of the knees on the photo and on Rugosa's construction plan do, in fact, coincide perfectly. Nice. So that would provide support that Pridewind is indeed #608s Rugosa.

The reason I was interested in her name "Sally Ran" is that the 1940 Lloyd's Register lists her as "Sally" (in 1935 it was still Rugosa). Nice, again. Yet another mosaic stone falling in place.

But she is apparently not listed in 1955 or later Lloyd's Registers.

[Sean Hickey]

There is no doubt that this boat is "Sally" as noted in my other post. I found photos on the following site that make it absolutley certain. Although there have been modifications since I last saw her in the late 60's, I slept enough nights of my childhood on her to have her firmly burned into my mind.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11118614@N06/sets/72157623624638044/

Sean

[Adam]

Thanks Sean - that is my Flickr site. Those pics are from the current owner. We were trying to figure out what boat she was at the time and asked the owner to take those shots. There is very little doubt as to what hull she is now. Seeing that Nellie and Trivia (Model sisterships) have undergone resto's in the near past, one would think there might be added interest with this hull.

[Robert (Alerion Sailor)]

There are letters just after the number sequence, the letters look like HER and possibley another R, but not in a original Herreshoff font style.

[Adam]

Hi Robert - That HER is - I Believe - NET for "Net Ton". Herreshoff used bronze hull number plates and the numbers were sequential (for the most part). That whole wood board with the documentation number would have been added and was not original to the hull. I don't believe they even had "hull documentation" at the time she was built. We believe the current owners DO NOT have this bronze hull plate.

[Robert (Alerion Sailor)]

The whole number carving looks like it is home made almost it doesn't appear to match the quality of Herreshoff work.

[Adam]

Correct – the basic rules around the US coast guard documentation number are that they must be affixed in a permanent manor in a well visible location. Someone got out a router and carved in the number. This is pretty common – since most are added after the boats have been built and left the factory. I would doubt Herreshoff had anything to do with carving this nimber. Even the one done on my production glass Blue Chip was a cheesy plastic plate fiber glassed to a bulkhead.

[Robert (Alerion Sailor)]

She looks to be in good shape, the frames are that visible seem solid as does the planking.